Comparing Iowa and South Carolina: The WRs and TEs
Contestants: Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, Andy Brodell, Brandon Myers, Allen Reisner (Iowa); Kenny McKinley, Moe Brown, Jason Barnes, Jared Cook, Weslye Saunders (South Carolina)
Iowa
Iowa had problems with poor receiver play (drops, route running, etc.) over the two years previous to 2008. This this year, though, while Iowa doesn't pass the ball a whole lot, when they do, they have a fairly reliable group of guys to catch the ball. Derrell Johnson-Koulianos leads the team in receiving yards and ended the season against Minnesota with a 181 yard performance. Andy Brodell, the faster and more athletic of the two, has also had a good year. The two have swapped roles as the go-to guy; while Brodell came into the season as the more experienced player, Johnson-Koulianos got most of the looks early and late in the season, while Brodell got a lot of looks while his teammate struggled in the middle part of the schedule. Brandon Myers and Allen Reisner, the Iowa TEs, are also productive players that help the Hawkeyes move the chains.
South Carolina
While South Carolina has struggled offensively for most of the year, it usually hasn't been due to poor receiver play. The Gamecocks boast a great deal of talent and depth in their receiving corps; the problem has been getting these guys the ball. Kenny McKinley, Carolina's most experienced and reliable receiver, was a projected All-SEC selection before missing several games due to a badly pulled hamstring. Moe Brown and Jason Barnes (as well as a few other younger players that will see time) have had good years, although both have been prone to occasional brain farts while running their routes. Barnes has been especially impressive; although he still has learning to do, his combination of size, speed, and soft hands has made him look like Sidney Rice at times. Finally, Carolina has one of the best receiving TE combos in the country in Jared Cook and Weslye Saunders, both future NFL players.
Final Thoughts
South Carolina has more talent and speed in its receiving corps than Iowa. Kenny McKinley, even if his stats aren't what they have been this year due to injuries, is still an all-world receiver that will play on Sundays. Carolina's two TEs, Jared Cook and Weslye Saunders, are also impressive players that will give Iowa matchup problems due to their unique combinations of size and speed. Jason Barnes, Moe Brown, and some of the other younger players have had occasional growing pains, but from what I've read, so have Iowa's guys. Iowa's receiving corps is talented and gets the job done, but they aren't as good as Carolina's.
That said, our talent at receiver won't do us any good if Garcia can't get these guys the ball. Iowa, on the other hand, has had a much steadier QB, so they may end up sporting a more efficient air attack when it's all said and done. A lot is riding on Garcia's performance for our offense, especially considering that I don't see any chance of us running the ball against Iowa.
We should be aware that while Iowa is a running team, they will likely throw the ball a lot in this game. Our defensive game plan will likely be similar to what we saw against UGA earlier in the season. We will probably sell out to stop the run and hope our defensive backs can handle Iowa's receivers man-to-man. To counter, Iowa will look to throw the ball down field to get us to back off and give Shonn Greene room to run. They may also try to get Greene the ball through the air, although from what I can tell this hasn't been a very effective part of their offense this year. Minnesota basically used this defensive philosophy against Iowa in the last game of their seasons, and the Hawkeyes burned the Gophers both through the air and on the ground. This isn't to say that we should be too worried. We undoubtedly have a better defense than Minnesota. Moreover, as said, we were in a similar situation defensively against UGA, and we were quite successful in that game. Of course, we had Emanuel Cook in that game. so things might be different this time.
Advantage: South Carolina
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There's also the Man of Glass
Tony Moeaki at TE
Look for him to come in, make one great play then leave injured.
He was a pro prospect before he was totally unable to stay on the field, which got him pushed out of the offense this year.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2008 2:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tony will ride to the game in here


Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2008 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, he will still arrive broken.
Apparently, putting “Fra-gee-lay” on the box just won’t cut it.
Worse, somebody will have used up all the fix-it tape—ON PURPOSE!!
Look for Myers to have a four to one edge in receptions over Tony. Tony just hasn’t been a factor this year, and I doubt the bowl will be different.
The success of the USC WR’s will depend on one factor: the Iowa front four pass rush. Period.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Dec 19, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did any of the SC receivers/TE make all conference?
2nd team? 3rd team? Don’t think so. Then, this is another Iowa win. Mr. Cock or whatever his name is who runs the site, thinks all the SC players are “better athletes” than the Iowa players. I love that. I guess they’re also faster and have an extra tendon?
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 20, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The gentleman would be
Mr. Man. First name Gamecock.
by txhawkeye on Dec 21, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you, but...
…Iowa’s admitted weakness is it’s WR’s. DJK is exciting, and Brodell can be stellar, but really, Iowa doesn’t have many good WR’s. And to compare All-SEC v. All-B10 selections is unfair; at the end of the day, the SEC does have more speed, generally has better skill-position players, and usually produces more speed product than the B10.
If you’re saying that either DJK or Brodell would start at an SEC school, then that’s different. You’d be wrong, but at least then your argument would hold some water. I’d say the analysis was pretty accurate.
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 22, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, dirtyoldman...
A few things, StoopsMyAss. First of all, our TE Jared Cook was first-team All-SEC and our WR Kenny McKinley was an honorable mention and would have been first or second team if he hadn’t been injured for several games in the middle of the year. Second of all, I have in no way been claiming that we have better athletes across the board than Iowa. In fact, I’ve given you guys the advantage at RB and QB, which is only your due. While I think the contest between Garcia and Stanzi is a close one, I’m well aware that we don’t have anyone like Greene, and nor have I ever said we do. So quit putting words in my mouth; I have given your team credit from the start. The problem for you, apparently, is that the credit I’m giving you doesn’t involve calling off the game. Newsflash: you’re probably a little better than us, but you’re an eight-win team that’s not in the Top 25. You’re not a powerhouse. That means you’re just like us, which is why we’re playing each other in the Outback Bowl. I know you like to spin your season and say you could have gone undefeated, but we could do the same thing with our season and say that we could have gone 10-2, as three of our losses could have gone either way. Nothing would change the Florida and Clemson games, but Florida would probably beat the Big 10 all-conference team. Clemson I have no answer for, but all teams have a bad game from time to time. This is all to say that South Carolina and Iowa are fairly evenly matched teams. Iowa is a marginal 3.5 point favorite in Vegas, which is about right, because you guys probably are a bit better than us. But there’s a reason Vegas doesn’t have you by more than that.
As far as receivers go, we’re better than you at receiver. I don’t know if it will matter because Garcia has to get the receivers the ball, but we have a lot of talent at this position.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's one of those things
Where initially, BHGP faithful bombarded this site and started writing PENIS (‘cuz you’re the Cocks; get it?!?HAHAHAHAHA, you’re the COCKS!!! HA!) everywhere. Then, you started having to deal with the Iowa homers that exist as well. We try to police our own, but occasionally, a foot will get inserted into a mouth unintentionally. All in good fun, or at least it tries to be.
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 22, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I don't have a problem with some good-humored fun or mild-mannered trash talking...
But this whole “this idiot thinks his team is going to win because of SEC SPEED!!!” schtick is getting really old. I think I’ve been giving pretty fair analysis, giving Iowa credit for their strengths and South Carolina credit for theirs. I haven’t been ranting and raving about SEC superiority over the Big 10; in fact, at a Christmas party last night I argued with my cousin about how the Big 10 plays well against the SEC unless Ohio State is involved. I just don’t get why everyone comes here acting like I’m saying things I’m not.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If by "everyone," you mean...
…“some dolts,” then I would agree. You’re right, it’s been laid pretty thick by some folks. But you have to understand how often we’re inundated with this “SEC Speed” garbage during football season. OSU blew it for us on more than one level, Gamecock Man.
Tell you what — you ignore the occasional slight on the Cocks (not yours, silly, your team’s — see, ’cuz Cocks is slang for penis!!! ha!!! (sorry)), and I will try to remind those who overreact that they are, in fact, overreacting. Deal?
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 22, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. By "everyone," I meant a very small but very outspoken group...
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Deal on the Cock jokes for overreaction reminders.
I’m sure you guys do get some serious BS from some SEC fans. But the more intelligent among us (you know, those who actually pay attention to the overall bowl records over the past few years) respect the Big 10. I may be guilty of an occasional joke about your slow white linemen, but I’m well aware that you’re going to give us a “stiff” (yes, Cock Man said stiff) test on the first.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McKinley is a baller.
I can’t speak for any of the others, although I don’t doubt that the TEs are good. Kenny McKinley, however, is really good, and needs to be dealt with by the defense accordingly.
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by Not Marv Cook on Dec 22, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
StoopsmyAss
was the first Hawk fan to come over to your board to poke a stick at you, and he seems to still be delighting in doing it, and doing it well. Truth be told, the only USC footage I’ve really analyzed this year was the footage of the ref “tackling” Garcia. So I have no idea how to analyze how these two teams will match up.
I do know that the USC “D” looks pretty darned good on paper, especially considering its SEC opponents. That’s intriguing. And the last thing I know is that Big Ten fans are sick and tired of the rest of the nation dogging on the Big Ten. And Ohio State will screw it up for the rest of us again against Texas.
by YouCanPutYourEddsInIt on Dec 22, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Northwestern and Minny getting themselves shit stomped.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 23, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh Jesus
I think I have Texas over OSU as my 2nd most confident result. Maybe top. That game is going to be ugly. Quick.
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 23, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying things like...
…Florida would probably beat the Big 10 all-conference team…
is why we tend to think you value SEC Speed a little too much, and tend to not give Iowa the credit we deserve. That statement is ridiculous, and says a lot about your SEC bias and lack of respect for all things Big Ten.
I am not going to pretend to know anything about your WRs since a) I don’t. and b) You can’t get them the ball anyway so I don’t care.
I will say that you are severely overlooking Brodell who is a former track star and IS fast…just ask Texas. White, from Iowa, and fast. I know it is hard to fathom for you SEC people, but it is all 100% true. He will burn your defense at least once in this game, and once is enough to make an impact.
What I especially love is that in your preview/breakdown/analysis again you barely mention our Tight Ends. You will know them well after this game.
Good luck.
Go Hawks!
by CUNKNNK on Dec 23, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not praising Florida due to an SEC bias...
I’m praising them because they’re a great team. The Gators are probably the most talented team in the nation, with the possible exception of Southern Cal. In the SEC, Florida was in a class of their own, and by that I mean that no other SEC team with the possible exception of Alabama even approached their level of play. What I say about Florida does not go for the rest of the conference, which is to say that I’m not exhibiting SEC bias when I praise Florida.
As far as your receivers go, I have no doubt that they’re good. I don’t think they’re as good as ours, but I’ll concede that I wouldn’t be surprised to see them have a better game in terms of catches and yardage in the Outback Bowl. Iowa appears to have much more balance on offense and a solid QB, and that could lead to offensive success. We, on the other hand, have a QB that doesn’t really know what he’s doing, and that could lead to trouble, especially if you’re front four are able to put pressure on him.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 23, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Senior Hombre de Cock
Florida is not in a class all thier own. They lost at home (AT HOME!) to a Miss. team that is about as good as Iowa—very similar statistically and so forth. USC, the real USC in California, would shut them down in my opinion, pretty easily. Alabama is not a good yard stick, vastly overrated. The reason Nick Saban won coach of the year is that no one was thinking Alabama was going to amount to much, not a lot a great players. They surprised, overachieved and, voila, coach of the year.
Winning against teams by big margins is not everything…as we learned in the Vince Young Rose Bowl. I know all you SEC kool-aid drinkers are in awe of Florida, and the reason for that is simple, they crushed you so you need to rationalize that by saying they are A-W-E-S-O-M-E. Well, we’ll see. They should kill Oklahoma because it is a perfect matchup for them. And, it is about matchups. I believe Florida would have trouble with Penn State who has a very good defense (top 5 nationally).
Bottom line, bias is bias. You have it. You know it. That is why you get so upset that you get accused of it. The nice thing about you though (and kudos to you for this) is that you barely try to hide it. All your posts assume two unassailable truths: the SEC is better than the Big Ten and that is because the SEC has speed (often articulated as “better athletes”). Although, the NFL’s defensive player of the year last year played at, ta da, Iowa, and the NFL, point of fact #2, does not have a single SEC bred player in the top 10 in rushing or pass receiving yardage (a reliable indicator of speed and athleticism).
Yep, we are tired of the speed argument because it’s bogus. It’s as bogus as the BIG ten claiming to have the best interior linemen because we are farm raised, cornfed, Nordic. We are so over the argument for Florida’s Holy domination due to its domination of teams like yours, which is as you know all too well, is a none too subtle backhanded praise of yourself of course. Florida is simply dominating other SEC teams (MIami, Fl. being thier only non-conference win of significance) suggesting a lopsided conference in terms of quality.
Yes, you got SEC bias sir, it bleeds profusely out of every post you make. Of course you will give Iowa some credit, but don’t sprain your elbow patting yourself on the back for crediting the winner of every major running back award in the nation as a better running bacck than yours. Please. That is not evidence of any balance or detachment.
Look, you run this blog so no one would expect anything else from you.
Keep up the good work, Mr. SEC. See you in Tampa.
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 24, 2008 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Mack Brown
call off the dogs at 50? I don’t think so. Statement to AP voters to make them think twice IF OU can play FL close – although I’m not convinced they can.
Not presuming to write for all IA fans, but my concern is that after the bowl season the big televen will be 2-5 (not committing to who the 2 will be), or worse, while the sec and big xii generally meet expectations. We’ll read another round of how the conference, and all the teams in it, suck balls (balls – hahahahaha). If OU loses it would be their 6th consecutive BCS loss – yet tOSU is the poster child for BCS failure, tainting (taint – hahahaha) the whole conference.
IA and usc seem to be evenly matched. What little difference there appears to be is the IA coaching staff’’s remarkable stability (IA has had 2 HCs in the last 30 years) and the IA team is quiet about any academic issues. Mr. Gamecock Man has been fair in his assessments, and the smart guys in Vegas aren’t moving the line at all (probably because little money is coming in either way). In my totally biased opinion, the IA fan is putting more emotionally into this ultimately meaningless game considering the turbulence of our record and behavioral issues over the last couple years. Look at some of the gamethreads – we’re a collective mess, full of angst and sure the refs are out to fuck us. That reminds me, they’re not using refs trained by the poor sisters of the mentally impaired are they? We’ve seen those guys before and didn’t much like it.
by txhawkeye on Dec 23, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about OU...
I’ve never understood why they get a free pass in the media despite doing essentially the same thing that Ohio State and the entire Big 10 get blasted for. Part of it probably has to do with the fact that the ESPN personalities go irrationally nuts over Oklahoma’s huge margins of victory. Herbstreit seems ready to crown them the best team in college football year in and year out after he sees them plaster some hapless Big 12 cellar-dweller.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 23, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny...
An SEC guy claiming unfair media coverage. Boo hoo….poor SEC. Let’s be realistic. The Big Ten decided to create its own TV network and it is now, and will continue to, kill them in national favorable press coverage. ESPN talks ad nausem iabout the teams they are broadcasting, and that leads to praise and awe. CBS is in the bag for the SEC. You can’t even get the Big Ten Network on the vast majority of cable systems in the northeast., or even outside of freaking Chicago!
It is what it is…a business. But, to not be media literate enough to see things clearly, shameful for someone who claims to know NCAA football.
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 24, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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