Iowa's Defense: What to Expect
The most important thing you need to know about Iowa's defense is that they don't have speed. These guys are from places like Illinois, South Dakota, and, yes, Iowa. Because they spend all their time as children in doors and out of the snow over the winter, it's difficult for them to get the exercise they need to develop legitimate athleticism as they grow up. Compared to our guys, who have the entire year to work out and develop their abilities, these Hawkeyes are going to look like they're moving in slow motion while we run past them into the endzone.
Well, maybe this isn't Iowa. And maybe we don't have Tim Tebow. Oh well; would've been nice.
Seriously, this time: these guys have a pretty good defense, certainly good enough to stop our offense unless Stephen Garcia suddenly wakes up with quadruple the QB smarts that he's displayed so far this year. They haven't given up more than 27 points this year and pitched a shutout in their last game to a decent Minnesota team. Let's take a look at them by position.
Defensive Line
The Hawkeyes start Adrian Clayborn and Christian Ballard on the ends and Matt Kroul and Mitch King in the middle. This group has done well against the run this year, having held several teams to under 100 total yards rushing, including Michigan State and Javon Ringer. That's pretty good, considering that most Big 10 teams run the ball quite a bit and feature solid offensive lines. These guys haven't combined for a lot of sacks (nor have the linebackers), although that could be because lots of their opponents like to run the ball and/or have mobile, scrambling QBs.
Of course, considering the King weighs around 260 pounds, I'm guessing he'll be unable to tackle Mike Davis.
Linebackers
From what I can gather, the Hawkeyes typically play three in the middle. Pat Angerer is the group's run stopper, leading the team with 101 tackles. Again, this group appears to be better against the run than the pass; they've been gashed a couple of times through the air by the likes of Northwestern and Illinois. They did, however, hold Penn State's Daryll Clark to less than 100 yards through the air, although bad weather may have had something to do with that.
Defensive Backfield
Not sure it's worth spending time on this. Everyone knows Big 10 defensive backs are slow. Illinois, which has a former SEC coach that knows how to recruit speed, will show you everything you need to know about the Iowa secondary at around the 1:20 mark of the following film.
Final Thoughts
All jokes aside, this is a talented, well-coached defense will come ready to play smart, tough football. I expect they won't have much trouble taking the run away from us unless we can get Eric Baker going on the edges. However, I do like our chances of gaining yardage against this team in the air. The fact that our lack of a running game will allow the Iowa linebackers to sit back in coverage worries me a bit, but Weslye Saunders and Jared Cook will give Iowa match-up problems that we should be able to exploit. Expect us to try to get the ball to these two on crossing and post patterns. I also expect that we'll try to get the ball to the receivers on screens and slant patterns to keep the Iowa defense honest if we indeed can't get the run going.
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South Carolina fans make remarks about the myth known as SEC speed and their superior conference but totally ignore the fact that their just a bottom feeder who lives off teams like Florida and LSU’s hype…3….2….1
by mahossa on Dec 9, 2008 11:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Countdown until farmers from Iowa learn the difference between "their" and "they're"...3...2...1...
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 10, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize...
Nearly half of the student population of Iowa is from Illinois, especially northern Chicago. So next time you decide to take over your role of internet grammar nazi you could at-least improve your chances at making an insult by calling us rich spoiled Chicago kids.
by mahossa on Dec 10, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Can I ask the relevancy of the Florida/OSU picture? Or the consistent need of all Gamecock fans to bring up they’ve beaten OSU twice? OR the reference of Wofford over App St. as it applies to last year? Maybe it’s just me, or maybe your website/arguments entirely lack focus?
by mahossa on Dec 10, 2008 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Y'all
…have no room to speak about our grammer.
Go Hawks!
by CUNKNNK on Dec 10, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our spelling...
…is another matter.
by BradBanks4ever on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So that's where Mike Hall went...
after he was exiled from ESPN.
by The Feathered Warrior on Dec 10, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know it was the opening paragraph, and I should play nice. HS said I should watch my language, too. Poop.
My favorite part is how as children we allegedly spend all our time in doors. Yes, the winters are less than pleasant but most of us were inside, not in doors.
by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As a kid...
I couldn’t wait to get out in the snow. Snow rules! Go Hawkeyes!
by BradBanks4ever on Dec 11, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cockman! Oh, Cockman! But you forgot...
We are 6th in the nation in interceptions (you, by the way, are merely in the middle 50’s), remembeeeeer? Now we talked about this, we – the bad guys — sit back and devastate QB confidence (see Penn State, Minnesota, etc.) with defensive slight of hand. With no running game, I expect an incalculable number of interceptions against your confused young man, aka the quarterback.
You mentioned the highly undersized Mitch King too, he of Big-10-Defensive-Lineman-of-the-Year fame. Well, he’ll drive your lumbering OL insane by first running under, then around and eventually, about the time that the Tampa humidity and your offense’s pathetic lack of TOP (that’s right, we just own the ball usually with our running back clicking off 6 yard runs as though a clock tower-like metronome is on the sidelines; perhaps you have heard of him?) begins to breakdown the psyche of your exhausted, tormented offensive line, he finally, all 260 pounds of him (soaking wet), runs over them.
Bob Sanders, defensive player of the year in the NFL last year, left a lasting legacy at Iowa of safeties who hit with earth shattering, bone jarring, will-taking consistency any receiver dumb enough to tiptoe over the middle to catch a football. You can bet that once one of your malnourished wide receivers catches a slightly overthrown ball, we will send him to Tampa General. With any luck he will return to the sidelines to witness the destruction, with his colostomy bag in hand of course.
But, truth be told, we’re scared. We’ve been running that Wofford tape (with mouths agape) noticing that, indeed, you run a pretty terrifying offense over their in South Cock-o-lina. I was particularly impressed with the way your team doggedly overcame those three interceptions Smelley threw against their stellar D. I mean Wofford is an NFL DB factory, everyone knows that. To hang a 10-point home field victory over them sent chills down the spine of not only your SEC brethren, but all across the college football landscape, and even up to little old Iowa City; and, as it turns out, that 10 spot was a solid 7 points more than James Madison (the college! not the Twinkie bakery you silly) hung on Wofford recently.
So, clearly, your offense is a passing textbook, while our defense is an undersized, slow, overly plodding morass of cornfed dumbass. Go easy on us, okay?
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse...
Wofford did beat App State last year. And App State beat Michigan, which finished ahead of you in the Big 10 standings.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 10, 2008 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're bragging about your win against Wofford. You realize that?
What’s next? You’re going to tell me how proud you are of the boys for only losing by 50 to Florida? A game, by the way, in which you surrendered 346 rushing yards. Yowza…yes, we are indeed looking forward to padding Shonn’s resume with you guys.
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tee-Hee
Of course, considering the King weighs around 260 pounds, I’m guessing he’ll be unable to tackle Mike Davis.
Either
worst. sarcasm. ever.
or
RRROOOFFFFLLLMMMAAAOOOOMITCHKINGWILLDESTROYYOUWITHTHEFURYOFATHOUSANDSUNS
by Third Generation Hawk on Dec 10, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm scared
For you gamecock man. You just awakened a sleeping giant. This is what Mitch King was doing the second you made that comment

He actually heard you and it coming for you. You better hope he doesn’t take his helmet off when comes and skull fucks you in the middle of the night. His head is not pleasant looking

by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
I come to GarnetandBlackAttack.com and find a bunch of Iowa fans talking trash.
Iowa.
Iowa, people. Jesus, I’d tone it down bigtime if I were you.
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by Gatorpilot on Dec 10, 2008 7:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Iowa vs. SEC, last three games.
Beat Florida.
Beat LSU.
Lost to Florida (blown call).
So get lost, pilot-man.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Iowa-LSU 2005 Capitol One was on BTN (aka – the worst sports channel ever) a couple weeks ago, I DVRed, and watched it last night. I’d forgotten Iowa beat them with no running game, period. That was the year Iowa had 11 players with carries as RBs #1-4 suffered season ending injuries, including Iowa’s all-time leading rusher. Nick Saban’s last game at LSU, LSU had won the NC previous year, they started Glen Dorsey, Marcus Spears, Leron Landry, Joseph Addai, a pupu platter of other guys now in the NFL, and their #2 and #3 quarterbacks that played the entire 2nd half were Matt Flynn and Jamarcus Russell, the latter of whom brought them back from 2 tds down, only to watch Iowa win on last play of game. The outcome was not a fluke – Drew Tate threw several Stanziballs, 2 for interceptions, LSU threw one I think, but Iowa did block 2 punts.
Just sayin’, This is nearly the same staff (sometimes to our chagrin) that has gone against the SEC most recent 3x – those teams left bruised.
by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I shan't get lost and raise a YOU get a lost.
Iowa sucks. Maybe the suck a little less than South Carolina. Maybe a little more. But either way, you suck. And I like Spur-dog’s chances in this one.
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by Gatorpilot on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do you!
Bloomin’ onion. BOOYAH
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by Gatorpilot on Dec 11, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Multiple blown calls...
Plus, if I recall correctly, one of the game officials broke up an Iowa pass by failing to get out of the way.
by BradBanks4ever on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly...
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 10, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's early so I offer a sincere, serious remark.
You cannot understand the Iowa defense unless you understand its objective.
It’s objective is to make opponents execute 12-15 consecutive offensive plays without a screw-up. Our coach, who is ex-NFL, doesn’t think college offenses can do this, and he’s usually right. It’s a very unusual D. We rarely blitz, and in our best years, even with Brad Banks (#2 in the Heisman), we were often out-gained. We don’t care, because the scoreboard measures … points, not yards.
Our second objective is to control the LOS with four linemen. This is very rare in college football. The constraint theory of football offense depends on defenses having to cheat pass coverage to beat the run, or cheat run defense to beat the pass. If we control the LOS with four, there is no constraint play available to an offense. (cf. Chris Brown, Technical Football blog.) There was only one game this year in which we did not dominate the LOS on both sides of the ball, and it’s arguable that we at least held our own. (Evidence: Shonn outgained Royster. And, uh, we won.) Then, Minnesota, and the day after we destroyed them they fired their O-Line coach. It was a lot like your Wofford game, except that we a) won by 55-0, and b) Minnesota is a major college football program going to a bowl. As I recall, you start an O-lineman from British Columbia, and the O-line is currently orphaned, coach-less. So, I guess this means, after the game, you have no one to fire except the players.
Our third objective is sneaky. We have one of the best red zone defenses in the country (you can look it up). So sure, you can dink and dunk your way downfield (you will not run, sorry, against this D), while your speed is negated by a properly played cover-2 and good tackling. Eventually the field is compressed, and your best outcome is a field goal. Congratulations. PSU ran 19 plays in one drive against Iowa — and got 3. BTW, we’re not fat anywhere on this defense (we really do have a DT, Karl Klug, who appears to have a 34 inch waist), so we don’t get tired.
The problem for y’all (did I spell that right?) is that your coach is starting a QB who, he told national television, hasn’t played much because he “only knows one play”. I hope it’s a really good play, and you can run it successfully 15 consecutive times. Before you kick a field goal.
You will win this game if you can blow us off the LOS, or if you can reapeatedly isolate your wideouts against our 240 lb human who plays weakside linebacker and has brutal coverage responsibilities in our D, or if the crafty OBC invents some new shit that our safeties can’t understand (i.e., if the crafty OBC rolls out the Gimmicks from Hell). If we get a push against your line, though …. could be seriously ugly for you. Remember, although King was defensive lineman of the year in the Big I0, this may well be his last game unless someone wants to try him out as a rush linebacker in a 3-4. (That’s right: he may be quick enough to play OLB in the NFL. I doubt even he is quick enough or strong enough to play interior line at the next level.) Since he’s white, everyone says he’s “really coachable”, a “natural leader”, possessing of “a great motor.” Actually, this is one instance where the stereotype is accurate, rather than just coded racist condescension. I think he’ll play hard.
All the stuff about our being white and midwestern is true of course. We really do train our linemen, in part, by throwing tractor tires around in the summer. We find it amusing to be so ridiculed. We enjoy it very much when we break the stereotype and the other team is standing there going “Wha-a-a-a-t happened”, their mouths agape like little goldfish. Or, put another way, Greece beat an NBA all-star team one Olympics ago. This stuff about racial superiority is BS.
BTW, our “slow” white guy on the outside had his career game against two first-round NFL cornerbacks in our Texas bowl game a couple of years ago. Might be a data point on this coded racial determinism the entire world practices, in regard to team speed.
In sum: our defense appears to be simple (it is); it appears to be archaic (I suppose it is); it is predicated on controlling the line of scrimmage and maintaining lane and coverage discipline (few college teams do); it frustrates opponent QBs (we get a lot of picks); it exploits the compressed red zone field like a good pro team, and forces you to run for touchdowns (see first objective: control LOS). Pick your poison.
So, I hope young Garcia learns a second or third play, and that they are true gimmick-monsters. That might make it a game. Otherwise we will have to experience an ugly series of Stanzi-balls, or mess up our kick coverage, to lose. Only a smart offense well-led beats this D.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want King as a DE/3 tech tackle for the Colts
he’s the same size or bigger than 3 of their regulars at the 3 tech.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very informative.
Thanks.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only 1 play?
KOK would love that guy
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent...
"everyone says he’s "really coachable", a "natural leader", possessing of "a great motor."
And true as it happens. He does have a great motor.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IN SUMMARY...
In case you didn’t have time to read that very well written essay/scouting report:
You can’t run on us.
You can’t go deep. (Even if you have the speed of 5 Randy Mossessses, we will give you a cusion and have help over the top to negate it)
We will only allow short passes. It’s all part of our evil plan, and you can’t resist it…You will complete a bunch and think you are doing well, then you will screw up and we will be putting points on the board.
(repeat until game is over)
Hawks win.
Go Hawks!
by CUNKNNK on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
screens and slants
Bubble screens and slants don’t work against this D; they are constraint plays that target rush-hungry linebackers. We don’t play that way.
Posts and deep crossing routes have worked for teams, as they do for anyone against the cover-2, unless Ed Reed is playing safety or Urhlacher is playing MLB. We don’t have Ed Reed or Brian Uhrlacher. We have a walk-on playing free safety named Greenwood and an MLB named Anger-er. If we don’t get a pass rush and Garcia is accurate, you’ll need to go over the LBs with these patterns, and if you can, you can gash us.
You’ll be able to throw 5-7 yard outs all day. Please do. Then you’ll be in the red zone, and we have given up seven red zone rushing touchdowns all year.
That Illinois TD was a busted coverage. I believe we blew coverage that badly once all year. Oh well. I don’t think there’s anything in the Illinois game to help you game-plan us. The only team that got our heads spinning on D this year was Northwestern, and we were dominating them physically and ahead something like 19-3, before the Stanzi-balls got us, and they gave our RB a concussion with a helmet-to-helmet. But if you can become one of the best spread O’s in the country in the next few weeks (if Mr. Garcia can learn a second or third play, to the OBC’s satisfaction), we may lose, no question.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 8:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
When Bellanca schools people before 8am
by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer to be schooled than hear another dick joke...
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PENIS
Your average Black Heart Gold Pants reader is only trying to have fun. Regular posts are for information. The comments are to be jackasses; while some (read: NOT who you should devote any time to) will talk shit and get personal, we’re just passing time. Enjoy!
by imadirtyoldman on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts.......
Iowa’s RB rushed for 1,700 yards this year…….with at least 100 in each game.
We have second rate High School bench warmers at the QB position.
We have no running game.
We’ve looked horrible lately.
I think we’re in trouble.
by VermontGamecock on Dec 10, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorta' sounds like Iowa...
Without a running back! Mitch King is good, but he ain’t SEC good. Greene gets his 100, but I don’t see the Hawkeyes getting any time to throw, and if they do throw bad things happen
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That will be most fun.
Oh, we do truly hope you play pass rush first.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No dog in this fight...
nor being an agent provacateur. Just chirping in…I’ve seen the Hawkeyes against good teams and bad several times this year. The QB play for both the Hawks and the ‘Cocks beg for bad things to happen…and, yes, they usually do happen. Stanzi has been more solid down the stretch, but you’re not going to get much time to throw: you will have to take this one the good ole’ fashioned way. In the trenches. SoCar has a better defensive line. You’ve got a better offensive line. It will be an interesting matchup of strength v. strength and weakness v. weakness.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Problems with that.
Your pass efficiency ratings:
SC Team: 113
Smelley (benched!): 115
Garcia: n/a
Ours:
Team: 130
Stanzi (he’ll play!): 135
Here’s where things get ugly for SC:
Red zone defense: rushing TDs:
SC: 16 (Did Wofford punch a few in???)
IA: 5
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was actually UF
That did the damage there…
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Penn State: 35 rushing TDs. Florida: 40. Same diff, only PSU scored twice against us, before we beat them.
Meanwhile, we posted a … respectable? 27 rushing TDs.
Horrifying stat of the minute: SC: 7 rushing TDs. All year. Exactly how do you play S-E-C superior football against teams like Wofford, and score 7 times all year on the ground? How is this possible? Are you playing Australian Rules? Miss State had 13, for goodness sakes. How the heck do you play 12 major college football games and score 7 times on the ground? Minnesota (55-0, did I mention?) scored 18 times on the ground. Then they fired their O-line coach.
Plains-man, you’re kinda a fact-free opinionator, arentja?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
I don’t think anyone, ever, is going to say that the Gamecocks have a fearsome rushing attack. They will try to bang around to open up the middle of the field passing game. Their defensive line is pretty damned good, and is very very fast and physical. I think it gives you a matchup problem in the passing game. Just like, if you force quick three and outs or turnovers, and are able to pound the ball, it will wear down the strength of their unit: the front seven.
To reiterate: Neither team’s passing game will be worth a damned, and it will be an ugly, low-scoring game. You’re not running wild on SOS, nor are they going to light you up through the air.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I just thought that a college running
attack might be in evidence. Guess not. I cannot believe that a non-June Jones team is in a bowl with seven rushing touchdowns. That has to be the worst in the entire D-I. How could anyone be worse? Iowa State did better than that.
But it just keeps getting worse for the Funky Chickens. SC is starting to look like a really crappy team to me.
Sure, you can’t run the ball. At all. (Well, you almost broke the mythical 3.0 ypc barrier. ‘A’ for effort. Must be all that s-p-e-e-d y’all got down there.)
In theory, with the crafty OBC, who probably is not bored and depressed, just looks like it, you can wing it and fling it all over the place. And we’re mediocre, right?, at the aerial game. Okay, so, maybe something there.
Well, I don’t know. You average 40 yards more per game, passing.
We, however, threw 9 INTs all season. F-Chickens? 24. Please to throw for an extra 40 yards, but don’t forget to send two of them to us. That’s right: you almost had more rushing touchdowns than we had interceptions. But you didn’t.
Iowa led the Big Ten in interceptions, with 25% more than PSU.
Chickens led the S-E-C in interceptions thrown, with 24. Not good for Chickens.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, now it's just gross.
Wow, you averaged 34 yards per game more in the air — but had to throw the ball 100 times more to get it, and had 3x the interceptions.
I really think we need to call off this game.
No wonder Spurrier looks bored, depressed, and makes fun of his players on national tv.
Is it too late to trade SC for Georgia Tech? Paul Johnson v. Norm Parker: that’s a game worth watching. Unless Shonn fumbles four times (hey, it happened once, long time ago) (but wait, he’s carried the ball 280 times this year — and hasn’t fumbled ONCE), we are gonna kill this team.
They can’t pass, they can’t run, they don’t block.
They’re gonna blitz the shit out of us and we’ll throw about 18 quick slants and bubbles to make them stop. Then they’ll get depressed like their coach, start yelling at each other, and quit. 33-7.
Really, I want to trade these guys for Tech.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
No dog in this fight…Not a SoCar fan, nor an Iowa fan (well, sometimes, but that’s a different tale entirely. I know you, Iowa, I’ve seen you Iowa. I’ve been to your Kinnick.) I am simply stating, for the umpteenth time, that the Gamecocks don’t run to control the game…they do it to get the backers to loosen up: The only problem is they don’t do it particularly effectively. Similarly, this Iowa team is not going to go nuts offensively on anyone not named Minnesota. You can try your quick throws, but USC doesn’t have to blitz to create pressure. Again, the best way to win this, with your limited WR skills and “game manager” at QB, is to take the fight to them…in the trenches. It is your strength, just as stopping it is theirs.
So, THAT, and ONLY THAT, is what I meant by weakness v. weakness and strength v. strength. And that, and only that, is why it is going to be a helluva’ ugly game.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's fine.
They don’t run to control the ball, and they lead their league in interceptions thrown. Leaving …. what, exactly, that they do well?
I’ll have to look at their D-line play. We don’t do any dropback passing, to speak of, and Stanzi is a ton better rolling out and moving than standing still, so they’d have to be all-world to be a factor rushing four.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What they do well?
Usually, defense…and…ummm. defense. Yep, that’s about it.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he did fumble once
On that hit to the head earlier in the year. Not sure. The concussion has left my memory a bit fuzzy.
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way...
Absolutely no way you could say our defensive line is a weakness. That is a joke. King and Kroul will play on Sundays soon. Clayborn might be headed that way too. You can’t just look at numbers and assume our D-line sucks because we don’t post HUGE SACK numbers. It is our scheme. We aren’t blitzing like mad, and rushing crazy. Mitch and the boys just work hard and make plays, I don’t think your COCK BLOCKING will change that.
Go Hawks!
by CUNKNNK on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch King...now officially 2nd team All-American.
So…probably “SEC good”. D-Line definitely not a weakness. Agree?
Go Hawks!
by CUNKNNK on Dec 13, 2008 4:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reflections on how we could lose.
We only lost for two reasons, this year.
a) QB transition/Stanzi-balls. The kid is very cool, though. Has a short memory for screw-ups, like a relief pitcher, and goes from scary to Elway-esque with no visible effort. And, of course, our HC doesn’t humiliate his players on national TV, so he gets credit publicly for the good without being ridiculed for dropping snaps every other game.
b) Our idiot-savant/autistic OC found a couple of games on his hands that did not resemble the script he wrote on Tuesday night. This is my biggest fear. Football coaches with gameday cognitive dissonance are frustrating. But maybe we’ll get the savant side of him Jan. 1.
We’re also a little young in the kicking game, although our punter was 2nd Team All Big Ten. Our kick coverage has been mostly good, but has cracked a couple of times.
Your defense will have to step up, be the first to stop Shonn this year, blind-side Stanzi a time or two into fumbles, and Mr. Garcia will need to take his confidence pills. Maybe one of your whoo-whoo-whoo S-E-C super-fast! players will break a kick or punt return. We have a lot of walk-on small-town Iowa-type boys on our cover teams. I’m sure they’re genetically inferior, having mispent their youth playing “in doors”, being Lutheran, and walking beans.
That’s right: I’m saying your offense can’t beat us. Just your defense, our own mistakes, and a special teams big play.
One thing is true, however. Our guys have incredible momentum and confidence right now, they like themselves and they love their coach. Strength and conditioning is so important to us that we pay our S&C coach a base of $220,000. Not all of our assistants are NFL-quality, but he is, and he’s transformed the culture. If I were on your side I would be really wondering if my club had the confidence to handle a physical, confident club on a streak. We are just going to come out extremely physical. We do not believe that you appreciate how physical, which stokes the fire. You guys need a quick start or who knows what will happen. Minnesota kept it close for most of a quarter and then it was a pathetic beat-down. They had negative rush yardage until garbage time in Q4. Minnesota is in a bowl at 7-5.
I live in Loudoun County, VA so Spurrier was a neighbor and sent his son to the local high school. His fascinating candor made him a fascinating study.
In his second year with the Skins he lost interest in the job, lost interest in the players, just lost interest. And it showed. He offered the same weird comments about Patrick Ramsey then that he seems to be providing now about Smelly-Garcia-Vegas. Is he still interested in the SC job? His body language in the recent interviews expresses withdrawal and boredom, borderline depression. Seriously. If this guy were a foreign head of state, 20,000 U.S. intelligence analysts would be signing memos saying, “No threat.” Is he emotionally engaged in winning and if so, how does he win if he doesn’t respect his own players?
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lemme' chirp in on the Hawkeyes...
Good defense, good running game with a solid O-line. But, yes, they are slow, they have no playmakers on the outside and both of their QB’s are knuckleheads who will turn it over. They are exceptionally strong at home, damned suspect on the road (no, Kinnick North doesn’t count!) This will be an ugly, low-scoring affair, and I don’t think their O-line is going to overpower you. Greene will get his, but the first team to 14 wins.
/tortured by the Big Ten network
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A few rebuttals.
Christensen (now the backup) was the opposite of a turnover machine. He refused to try to make plays, and took a bunch of sacks. Not throwing picks was probably the best thing about him. Stanzi throws more, but not as many recently.
Iowa’s 4-1 against the spread on the road, with the “1” being a three point loss to Illinois as 1.5 point dogs. Whatever value you want to put into that stastic is up to you, I’m just putting it out there for you.
"Jack Trice Stadium - Easily one of the Top 10 Stadiums in Central Iowa"
by Not Marv Cook on Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The speed thing is so dumb
SEC fans have talked about that every single time Iowa has played them in recent history, and every single time we’ve won or given them a good game. Speed can be neutralized by a disciplined defense that knows how to play they’re assignments, and will hit people in the mouth. All of these are hallmarks of Norm Parker coaches defenses, including this one. Not only that, but I think you’re vastly underselling Iowa’s athleticism on defense. King is extremely quick for a DT, Clayborn is a good athlete, AJ Edds is as athletic a linebacker as there is in the country (he’s had no problem handling TEs and slot receivers in coverage), and all of the corners have good speed.
by NorseHawk on Dec 10, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of good info today
But I wouldn’t say Minnesota was “decent”. Maybe at the beginning of the year against their patsies. But by the end of the year they had serious issues.
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not the least of which was quitting against Iowa.
by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW: What the hell
IS Minnesota thinking? Outdoor stadium…late Nov…in the Cities? Jesus…that’s going to kibosh the Brewster machinations of going into the Sun/Speed belt to get players. I can’t imagine why a decent prospect from Tampa or Broward or Houston would sign up for that shit (excellent education aside).
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Theoretically it's for a better atmosphere
This of course, assumes that anyone actually gives a shit about Minnesota football, which I haven’t seen much evidence of. The dome was pretty damn bad though. It is hilarious that they decided to dump the power running game they had under Mason (basically the one thing he did really well) right before moving to an environment that would have been perfectly suited for it.
by NorseHawk on Dec 10, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t think Brewster’s in for the long haul. Another year with 7+ wins and he’s out. I get the impression the idea is a campus stadium in an attempt to get students to actually show. They might be the worst victims of the Big Televen’s push to finish the season after Thanksgiving – although, really, how much worse is it in Iowa City, Madison, Chicago, Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Columbus?
by txhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they can play football outside in Green Bay in December,
they can goddamn sure play football outside in Minneapolis in November.
by Bucketochicken on Dec 10, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But I remember my grandfather telling me stories about games at the old Met up there. Sure, equipment , conditioning, etc. is better now than in the 60s, and global warming has probably ticked up the temp a couple of degrees in Nov, but it’s still going to be miserable. And since the fans up there haven’t proven that they will watch indoors, where they served beer, I’m a little leery of believing that they will sit ourside when it’s 20 degrees.
Also, I’ve only seen pictures of the stadium…but don’t know anything about what tailgating will be like. I hope they’ve factored that in and have plenty of parking lot space for it.
by chitownhawkeye on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this
(though not surprised if someone did and I missed it since I was drinking at 8am again)
One totally blown coverage is not evidence that the DBs can’t run. The safety screwed up. No one get’s that open on raw speed in a college or higher level game.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But... But...
It’s the SEC. The SEC!!! Speed and stuff. Kills and stuff.
by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speed kills...
strength punishes.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that the safeties are from Davenport and Oskaloosa, Iowa may be
but the video isn’t
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oskaloosa...my favorite shithole in the whole world...
Homeplace of Katko v. Briney (yes, I made the pilgrimage there), and still the ONLY place I’ve ever seen a confederate flag in Iowa.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder how often South Carolina fans see a confederate flag
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UGH. NOT A SO. CAROLINA FAN...
Football fan. SEC fan.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F.A.G.
Are you also in the Film Actors Guild?
by Duez I say on Dec 10, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I bet that guy spends a lot of time in the john...
by Bucketochicken on Dec 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading "Guns N Ammo"
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wondered
how long it would take for the stars and bars jabs to come out. in my humble and mostly worthless opinion, that’s one of the most embarrassing things about living in the south.
by cockhawk on Dec 11, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta support Bellanca
The spread right now on this game is Iowa -3.5 and it should end around -5 or so. But, that is largely based on the betting public. Iowa is a thinking man’s pick in this game and the reason the spread is so close is hype and ignorance. It happens. Lots of money to be made on the Hawks in this game.
I believe weare going to kill this team. Next year I believe weare going to tie for the Big 10 conference championship (w/ Penn State most likely). We defy statistics in so many ways as a team…Bellanca is right, on paper we look like a 10-2 or 11-1 team. We lost for reasons that might not happen again for years.
First, the Pitt game. Coaching decision loss. Plain and simple, and I think Ferentz knew he fucked that game up by not going back to Stanzi. We dominated that team and missed field goals, allowed shocking things to happen. We would beat them now 9 out of 10 times.
Second, Northwestern. Fumbles. Turnovers. Mistakes. Low-self-esteem. Injury to all our best players, in game. We beat them 9 out of 10 times too. This is the kind of game in most years we would win despite all the chaos that occured. But we didn’t.
Third, Michigan State. Offensive coordinator had a bad game. Fumbles. One bad call away from that win. I can live with this loss. MSU was playing lights out at the time and escaped with a victory. Also, and this is important, we took a lot out of that team. We hit them so hard they were not the same after we left town. Record proves it too.
Last, Illinois. God, this one shocks me the most. Inexplicable that Illinois played its best game of the year against us and we played like we were tired—and we still should have won. Had we closed out on that third down play on the last drive, we win. Such is COLLEGE football. Young teams (and we are the youngest in the Big 10) make dumb mistakes and play very emotionally. We have matured A LOT since then. We have the swagger of a 10-1 team. This USC team has the swagger of a 7-5 team.
Once last thing, in Bowl games things break down. The team that wins has things they can fall back on. I just don’t see a way that USC can be in this game after the third quarter.
Also, Iowa is going to play this game with so much emotion that I can’t really see USC mathing us there. I expect Iowa to show as much, if not more, emotion than any other Ferentz team has…this is just a special team. To have the start they did and finish like they did. Very special.
My prediciton is something like 31 – 14 (with a late, meaningless USC TD).
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
7?
I have to watch their game tapes; I can’t figure out how any DI team scores one rushing touchdown every other week and wins 7. They don’t block, run or pass. Their coach ridicules their QB on national television. How did they win 7? It’s a mystery and we have three weeks to unlock it.
Anyway, these coaches love to break down a season. In college there are three four game seasons. What happened, happened, and it’s already last year. We controlled the LOS in every loss, and if our OC weren’t autistic, we’d be 10-2, easy. On Jan. 1 he’ll either be a savant, or an idiot. Meh. I don’t think there’s a four-loss team in the country, including GT, that the elite 5 would less like to play. We will hit you, and we will play smart. (cf. 9 interceptions in a QB transition year.)
Of course, none of that is any match for S-E-C S-P-E-E-D!
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
About KOK
I am not a hater. I like the guy. We were second in the league in scoring and he deserves credit for Stanzi’s improvement. You know, supposedly the OBC is an offensive genius but i prefer KOK anyday.
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I'm in a big circle where everyone is shouting at each other even though we are all in agreement
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only it's someone else's living room, isn't it.
Anyway, if we lose to a team that scores a rushing touchdown every other week, it’s time to drop football. This game doesn’t deserve to be played.
Mr. Boh Knows ...
by Bellanca on Dec 10, 2008 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I wonder if there’s anything in their fridge
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Just checked.
Nothing but a dozen chocolate-covered bananas and a plate of kielbasa sausages.

Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 10, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I found these in the fridge on the back porch

by Bucketochicken on Dec 10, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder why they use the nicer dinnerware for the chicken legs?
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on Dec 11, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell
hate to point out the glaringly obvious but hawkeyes are birds too. kfc would have no problem serving – and probably has served – either bird. methinks iowa fans should drop the bird / chicken jokes. go back to the redneck / stars and bars jokes. much more effective and cannot also be applied to iowa fans.
by cockhawk on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
There are plenty of rednecks in Iowa. They’re just a different variety: meth-lab hicks. Sure, they don’t fly the stars and bars, they just burn down their double-wides when the gasoline in the “lab” catches fire.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 11, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speed Kills
At least until it gets punched in the mouth.
Is the average SEC team faster than your average Big Ten team? Yes absolutely. But that only gets you so far. Especially against a team like Iowa. Listen, we’ll let you get 5-7 yards on outs and quick slants all day long. It will kill those of us watching the game. But that is part of the plan. As Bellanca has so elegantly put it, our defensive philosophy (entire game philosophy actually) is built around controlling the LOS. And we do this with only four lineman, we don’t blitz, we are in no way “exotic”. By controlling the LOS with the 4 DLs, we play a very vanilla Cover 2. You can dink and dunk underneath (your WRs will take punishment when you do though) but you cannot go deep on us. You will gain a ton of yardage, assuming your QB is not running for his life and it happens, again with only 4 rushers, but you will not beat us deep. You get to the redzone and all of a sudden, all that alleged SEC speed doesn’t do you jack sh*t, there just isn’t the room to exploit it.
One thing that hasn’t been mentioned is why our DTs are rather undersized. There has been a conscious effort on the part of the coaching staff to get smaller and faster the past few years, especially on the D line. Call it the anti-spread, but this D is built around contain and control, we’ll give up a few pounds along the line, but we will out hustle and out-execute you. When we do, we win. Simple as that. You will NOT run between the tackles on us. Much better rushing teams have tried, and failed. We encourage you to do so, however, as it is the easiest way to 3-and-out.
Also, are CBs do not have all-world speed, but they are much faster than you think. And they hit. HARD. You do not get many yards after contact with one of our DBs. That said, tackling has been one of our D’s weaknesses this year, especially amongst the linebacking corps. Early on, we were trying way too much arm-tackling/strip attempts, with bad results. Fortunately, this has been an area of improvement as the season progressed and less of a problem now (though not entirely gone).
Which brings us to our one, fundamental, weak-link: the starting strong safety, Brett Greenwood. He is the reason stereotypes about Midwestern football players exist. He plays with a lot of “intensity” and a whole host of other adjectives used to describe the athletically-challenged. Around the friendly confines of BHGP, a defensive “EPIC FAIL” is known as an “EPIC GREENWOOD”, as he is usually “involved” in the play that blows up on us. If your offensive coordinator is smart, he will target Greenwood exclusively all day long.
In short, unless your QB turns into the second-coming of Derrick Williams, it will be a long day for your offense.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Dec 10, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
an example of what you were talking about
not an evaluation of your post
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 10, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowl games are like the Final Four...
where teams often slow down and are more methodical than usual. There are more commercials and thus longer times between change of possession. This will greatly favor us. Our style is not hurry up or chaotic. I pity the cocks. And, sadly, I think the cock fans are beginning to pity the cocks.
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
- George Rogers, one-time South Carolina RB
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 10, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to start charging...
The Hawkeyes for bandwith ;) I jest. This is pretty good shit.
"penis fish"…google that, and the candiru is the first thing that pops up
by Stuck in the Plains on Dec 10, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In Iowa, we take great pride in our shit.
Hence, if someone in a bar calls you ‘shit-faced,’ you are expected thank them, and buy them a drink.
Bowl games are funny, as StoopsMyAss notes.
In general, Ferentz teams come to play. Two exceptions: 2002, when he was too nice and didn’t crack the whip (which he now regrets, and says he’ll never do again), and 2006 NYD vs. Florida, when we came out as flat as Milwaukee’s Best and got behind about 20 until the 4th qtr when we rallied and the officials skull-fucked us and—well, any Iowa fan could bend your ear for hours about the rest.
Other than those two games, Iowa bowl teams under KF have basically over-achieved. Beat a good Tex Tech team in 2001, then Florida and LSU, and played Texas close when we had no business being selected for that bowl game that year.
This team, in particular, seems gritty and low-down and dirty, especially on defense. I don’t see them laying down on this one.
But on offense, even the best-prepared team can take a huge dump if they turn the ball over.
Finally, the lay-off is good for you, bad for us. You lost your last two—so a lay-off is great to put that behind you. We won 5/6, rolling, so the lay-off only hurts us.
Nevertheless, don’t let the clever smack of Hawk fans fool you: we all DREAD THE STANZIBALL. We all FEAR THE GREENWOOD. We DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MIND OF KOK (our schizo OC), nor that of the leaderless spiders that inhabit it.
I’m not laying any bets on this one.
If it's not too much trouble, search your soul--and then ask yourself if maybe I might have a point.
by The Director on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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