On Playing Homebaked Cupcakes
The USC athletics department has made a point of scheduling gimme games with in-state schools. In football, we've played Wofford and S. C. State regularly over the past few seasons, and we have games with The Citadel and Furman on deck in upcoming seasons. In basketball, we played USC-Upstate and Presbyterian last year, among others.
Personally, I'm a big fan of talking to the in-state schools when we're scheduling our cupcake games. Doing so keeps the guarantee money in the state, of course. It also, though, is good for the fans and the players. All of us know folks that went or go to the other in-state schools, and unlike Clemson fans, we can actually consider these people friendly rival fans. Moreover, lots of the players at these schools played high school ball with the guys on our team. Why not give them a chance to take on their old rivals and see how they measure up? I'd imagine that, for the most part, it's fun and everyone shakes hands at the end, although I'm sure there are exceptions. It's also worth keeping in mind that S. C. State has a killer band. Who doesn't want to see their halftime show?
The alternative, for me, makes playing these teams even more attractive. Let's be honest: even though it's fun to play S. C. State, it's still not as exciting as an SEC game. That's how playing cupcakes is. You know you're going to win and nobody cares. That is, of course, unless you crap the bed it turns out to be a close game, in which case you've embarrassed yourself. It's a lose-lose situation. If that's the case, why not sweeten the pot a little and go through these events with state schools, instead of Eastern Kentucky or some similar opponent? I, for one, find games against such schools even less attractive. If we're going to go through something that's necessarily going to be somewhat painful, we might as well do it against a local school.
There are some arguments against the practice. Most of them stem from the fact that our in-state football programs are pretty darn good, as USC fans have learned from our recent outings with Wofford. Some might say that by playing these schools that we make it more likely that we'll embarrass ourselves. I don't buy this argument. Regardless of whether they're good for an FCS team or not, there's no excuse for not playing well against an FCS team. We have a huge talent advantage over all FCS teams, whether it be Appalachian State, Wofford, or an FCS cellar dweller. We've had trouble against FCS teams in the past because we didn't prepare well, not because those teams were great. They may have been slightly more capable of taking advantage than other teams, but most of the burden for those pitiful performances falls on us.
Continue reading after the jump.
For all these reasons, I'm not so sure of what I think about our persistent refusal to play certain in-state schools in football:
Athletics director Eric Hyman, who set up the current rotation with the FCS schools, said USC would prefer to play the state's more established programs rather than Coastal Carolina, Charleston Southern and Presbyterian, which are relative newcomers to the FCS ranks.
"You look at the four schools we're playing, they just have more tradition," Hyman said. "The fans recognize them. They've been playing football for a lot longer."
You'll notice that in my defense of playing our in-state brethren, I never once said that I liked the idea because our opponents have "tradition." I said I liked it because it builds community among fans and players. That's something we can do for all in-state schools, not just Wofford, S. C. State, Furman, and The Citadel.
Moreover, arguing that we choose our FCS opponents because of their "tradition" seems like a slap in the face to scheduling logic. You schedule an out-of-conference game with Notre Dame or Michigan when you want to take on a team with tradition. You schedule a cupcake when you want to watch a touchdown derby in the first half and rest your starters in the second. I'll grant that we've been playing a school like Wofford for a very long time. We played the Terriers for the first time in 1895, and they beat us a handful of times in the early years. The game has some nostalgic value for that reason.
However, lets not deny that we now largely play them as a payout game and to build community. Those benefits should be shared with the newer programs, as well. For his part, Coastal Carolina AD Warren Koegel had this to say on the topic:
"I just think it would be a great game for the state of South Carolina and for us. It would be a wonderful thing for Coastal Carolina," Koegel said recently. "It'd be fun to see how we measure up."
I couldn't agree more. That's what this is about, right?
15 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I think you are using tradition in a different sense.
I believe Hyman meant a tradition of playing these schools. Furman, The Citadel, and Wofford are still among Carolina’s 20 <a href=“http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/all-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2008&team=South+Carolina&sort=g” target="_blank"most common opponents. In each case, the rivalry predates World War I.
The only reason S.C. State was added to the rotation is the school’s HBCU status. That history gave connected Bulldog backers a unique method to apply political pressure. Had Carolina resisted, it could have been a public relations black eye, while the presence of a popular former Gamecock as S.C. State head coach made the series more attractive for Carolina fans.
There are probably other factors at play for each of the school’s mentioned as well.
If a pollster from the west coast (or Alabama for that matter) sees a score against Presbyterian, they may think the school is still Division II. Heck, probably a quarter of South Carolinians don’t even realize the Blue Hose have moved up. While everyone is allowed a 1-AA opponent every now and then, there would rightfully be a hit to an SEC school’s image for playing a D-II, especially when the result turned out to be only 30 points or so, which would be awful if Presbyterian was still D-II. It’s not our job to let the nation know Presbyterian is now barely Division I.
Charleston Southern is one of the worst programs in 1-AA. I suspect the Buccaneers are taking advantage of that reputation and have priced themselves out of our schedule. They can get more money as a patsy for out-of-state programs.
Coastal seems the most obvious one to avoid. Not only is there some lingering bad blood from the school’s split with the university system, but I suspect the Chants remain ambitious at the university and AD level. I could see the program trying to move into the D-I Sunbelt in five or ten years. There is absolutely no reason we should help them attain those goals. We could freeze out every CCU sport for all I care. Don’t ever take sides against the family.
I don’t want to see more than a single 1-AA game on the schedule. I understand why S.C. State is getting a shot, but I’d rather not even seem them in the mix. I’d rather stick to our three historical rivals and let it go at that.
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 1, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Rassin frassin
stupid open HTML tag.
Carolina’s all time opponents by games played.
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
You and your "facts"...
Those are fair points, I suppose. I certainly don’t want us playing too many I-AA games, and I did recognize the nostalgia factor Hyman was playing on. And the reasons for not playing CSU and PU make sense. The reason for CCU I find a little petty. We should let bygones be bygones, and we shouldn’t worry about them overtaking us if they’re looking to expand. If they ever get that good, we’ve done something wrong.
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
I have a good friend who is a PC alum
and he is incensed by this “not enough tradition” argument. PC has been playing football since the 1800s…and playing PC is good enough for Florida and Clemson. If we won’t play these other teams, that’s fine. But let’s not have the flagship university of the state insulting football teams. CCU is the team with no “tradition.” If there were a “Super 1-A” division above 1-A, then, this “lack of tradition” argument might be used against us. It was a throwaway line, but it’s also what jumped out at me most of all in that article.
--Robert
by a gamecock fan on Oct 1, 2009 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not worried about Coastal getting good
at the D-I level. If they go D-I at all though, it is bad for us.
We won’t lose obvious starting quality recruits to them, but, given the choice of coming to Carolina as a likely career backup or going to Coastal as a starter, some local kids would choose Coastal if the Chants were D-I. That would obviously hurt our depth, while occasionally allowing a diamond in the rough to slip through and develop in Conway instead of Columbia.
If Coastal ever goes D-I, I think we should schedule them as early in the transition as possible, RUTS til the closing gun so we can tell every recruit ‘They suck, they aren’t really D-I’, then drop them forever as soon as they show the first sign of competitiveness. Only a program with a complete fool of an AD would allow an in-state little brother to emerge on the big stage at their expense.
by GwinnettGamecock on Oct 1, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions
USF is a different animal.
It’s a huge school with many things going for it that CCU will never have. Plus, I’m not sure it’s really taking lots of recruits away from UF, FSU, or Miami. There are just enough recruits in Florida to go around, and USF gets enough of them to compete in the Big East.
I think a more comparable example would be UAB or someone like that. ’Bama and Auburn may have lost a few potential third-stringers to them, but not much.
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
I Wish We Could Play A Real Intersectional Game
i’d dearly love to trade FCS games for a home-and-home with Wisconsin or Illinois.
I know, I know. We’re in the SEC. We’re in the SEC East. Our in-state rival is not in a different Conference. The Columbia Chamber will go ape if they don’t get at least seven home games a year … blah blah.
Georgia does it.
I’d rather play the instate FCS team early and get a home-and-home with Wisconsin or Illinois. Wishful thinking on my part, I know.
I'd like to see that, too.
However, I think our old ACC rivals have more pull with us when we decide to schedule a tough OOC game.
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
Assuming we have/ want to play an FCS team...
I think playing an in-state team is a win-win all the way around. First, you already mentioned that it’s a good idea to keep the money in state, as we all know South Carolina’s universities need the cash (Of course this logic could backfire on the smaller schools if you apply fair trade theory to its logical conclusion. Right now, though, it doesn’t look like any other states are following suite by only scheduling in-state schools.) Also, we probably get them at a little bit of a discount since their travel budgets will be much less than that of an out of state team.
Don’t forget that cupcake matchups traditionally aren’t very well attended. Bringing in a Wofford or Furman in this instance puts butts in seats. This is good for our Athletic Department, especially this season when sell outs are going to be hard to come by. Who is going to bring more fans to the game, Wofford or Alcorn State?
As for not including the likes of Coastal Carolina and The Blue Hose, I really have no sympathy for them. As GwinnettGamecock pointed out, it’s not our responsibility to help their program. I actually didn’t know that CCU left the USC system, but I don’t really care about that either. I would rather play an SC State or Wofford because these programs bring something to the table. They have a widely known brand- tradition- pizazz. This may not sound important, but when you’re going over a team’s schedule and you see West Bumble State College, you think less of said team than if you would have seen Wofford or SC State. It doesn’t even matter if those two teams have the same record or even if West Bumble is a better team this year – perception is reality. (By the way, as it currently stands, SC State sits at #14 in the FCS Coaches’ Poll). So if we’re going to schedule a cupcake, let’s get some credit for it, however minimal that credit may be.
Of course we can’t forget the real reason we started scheduling an in-state team every year – threats from idiotic legislators.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 1, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, I forgot to mention the best part.
We (should) get to pad the stats against all those in-state schools who beat up on us early in our history. I happen to think history and tradition are very important, so I look forward to increasing or win total over any school, even if it is loley Furman.
I also happen to think we should get our scheduling gurus to do something about our 0-1 all time records vs. Northwestern, Marshall, Georgetown, Fort Benning, Fordham, Georgia Pre-Flight, and North Carolina Medical (?&@#!).
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 1, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be honest.
Scheduling a 1-AA team never equals pizazz.
--Robert
by a gamecock fan on Oct 1, 2009 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A lot of the factors we're discussing are what I would call relative.
Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans.
That pizazz
was tongue-in-cheek, but I guess that didn’t exactly come across.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Oct 1, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

by 












