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Who Are Carolina's Top 3 SEC Football  Rivals?

I'm preparing a thread over at sister SB Blog Track 'Em Tigers to determine who every team in the SEC ranks as their three biggest rivals and compare the cross-over. I'd like to know who Carolina fans feel are their top three conference rivals, either current or past. Please help me out and vote in this poll and I'll compile all the results into a thread next week.

Thanks!

Greg

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You being reletively new to the SEC, I'm not assuming anything. The top 3 vote-getters advance...
A) Georgia
42 votes
B) Florida
6 votes
C) Tennessee
11 votes
D) Vandy
1 votes
E) Kentucky
3 votes
F) Arkansas
3 votes

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Georgia will undoubtedly win. We had an existing series with UGA before joining the SEC, and that’s bled over into a minor rivalry since then. We’ve also had more success against the Dawgs than Tennessee and Florida, which has added fuel to the flames.

UGA fans won’t admit that they consider us a rival (and I guess we’re not compared to Florida, Auburn, or Tech), but they think about us more than they’ll admit to. They like to concoct crazy theories (see Kyle King at Dawg Sports) about why we have more success against them than UT and UF.

If I had to pick which team I consider a rival out of the others you’ve listed, I’d say Arkansas. That’s a pretty tough series. We don’t have enough success against Florida or Tennessee to call them rivals, although that may be changing with the Vols, as we’re 2-4 in the last four years. The Vandy and Kentucky series are also big for us.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

I expect...

…Arkansas to be in the top three since that’s your permanent west team that you’ve played since entering the conference.

I would think UT would rank over Florida, but you never know. Sure, things have heated up with the Gators since Spurrier came to Columbia, but it could last for a while…

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 12, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

That's pretty accurate...

Arkansas is a pivotal game for us every year, and tension has developed after a few memorable contests. Maybe kind of like Auburn-LSU. You guys aren’t really traditional rivals to the same degree as you are with Bama, UGA, or Tech, but the Tiger Bowl has been so big over the last several years that it’s become more of a rivalry than it used to be.

Tennessee may become more of a rival if we can play them competitively consistently. Florida, on the other hand, is only a rival because of Spurrier and the 2005 win / 2006 close loss. We have had very little success against the Gators and I don’t see that changing any time soon, even if I’ll be predicting victory this time next year.

By the way, I’d be interested in hearing rationalizations from those of you that are voting for teams other than UGA. I consider this question no contest.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

True...

We were in the same conferences with the Purple Tigers for 97 years and had only played 26 times until the realignment in 1992. LSU has become our 3rd biggest rival after we had to discontinue the annual series with TN and FL. There was never any question that we’d have to keep GA as our permanent east team.

Auburn really belongs in the east, but what can you do. BTW, thanks for the featured post slot!

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 12, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No problem. Figured you'd get more votes on the front page.

What I said about LSU-Auburn is probably a bit misleading. Arkansas-Carolina has never had the same kind of conference and national implications that Auburn-LSU has had, but our game with the Hogs is usually really close, it usually has a lot to do with whether we have a successful season or not, and both teams have spoiled the others season before. And, like you say, the rivalry isn’t very old.

I remember when you guys used to play Florida every year while everyone had two permanent inter-divisional rivals. Those were some good games between Terry Bowden and Spurrier.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed...

1993 and 1994 against Florida were the two best games in Auburn’s history for me.

The problem with USC is that you were originally indigenous to the ACC, where most of your natural rivals are. You had good history with GA and a little with TN, but the rest are aquired rather of late.

Curious: in your opinion, how would you rank them?

by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 12, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

UGA, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Florida...

Some people would rank Florida high above the Cats and ‘Dores, but I believe that, in the absence of historical animosity such as we have with UGA and Clemson, you have to be competitive with a team to call them your rival. We’re not competitive with Florida and we’re a lot closer to Kentucky and Vandy as a program than we are to the Gators. If we start playing better against Florida (as it looked like we might a few years ago before the Gators’ resurgence as a national power), they’ll move up the chart, but not until then. Tennessee used to be like that for us, but we’ve closed the gap to a large degree and the two of us will likely battle it out for third in the East over the next few years.

You’re right about the ACC being the home of most of our traditional rivals. Back in our ACC and even in our independent days, we had exciting series with NC State and UNC. There’s a lot of history there.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Georgia Georgia Georgia Georgia Georgia

Then comes Tennessee, then Arkansas, then Georgia again, then Florida, then Georgia again, then Georgia again, then Kentucky, then Vanderbilt, then Georgia again.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Feb 13, 2009 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

I'd like to say more of us...

but a team that beats us 51-31 and 56-6 is not our rival.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

When it comes to whom we most want to defeat ...

Florida is still behind the other Big Three in my mind. Maybe it’s because Spurrier’s on our side now, but I don’t despise Florida as much as the others. I’d gladly trade one 50-plus point demolition of Georgia for two losses to Florida.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Feb 13, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We're going through this exercise over at DawgSports, too

I’m definitely in the minority that finds South Carolina to be #3 over Tennessee. Obviously, Florida and Auburn are top 2 in whichever order you prefer. I think from a Georgia fan’s perspective, South Carolina is only a rival based on geographic disposition. My hometown is Augusta, GA so I’ve just always considered the Gamecocks to be a big rival. We don’t have a “Border Bash” party for Auburn or Florida, but we do for South Carolina. I’m finding my presumption that the thought of South Carolina as a rival is completely geographically based from the conversation over at DawgSports to be true. I really wish we could put the smackdown on you guys like Florida has done the past two years, but you guys always seem to play us the toughest every year. I don’t know if that’s just a Spurrier thing or if South Carolina just treats the Georgia game as it’s Super Bowl, if you will, since they’ve been playing us pretty close for the last decade or so. Do you guys have any thoughts on that phenomenon?

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by AuditDawg on Feb 13, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

You seem like a reasonable guy, and I actually kind of appreciate that you consider us a rival, so don't take this the wrong way...

With all due respect to your football program, which is undoubtedly stronger than ours, the reason that you don’t get to lay the smack down on us is because you’re usually not as good as Florida. The talent gap between USC and UGA just isn’t as large. There’s a gap there, which is why you usually beat us, but it’s not huge. The same goes for UT several years back before they started sliding. The Vols usually beat us by larger margins than you did back then because they just that good.

I’ve heard a lot of rationalizations from UGA fans about why we play you tough, but most of it just seems like spin to me. There may be something to the idea that USC and now Spurrier get up for the game, and in some years Kyle King’s theory that we slide late in the year due to injuries revealing our lack of depth is probably true to some degree. But it’s not like we don’t want to beat the Gators. And most years that we play you better than Florida, Florida ends up beating you, too. Based on the end of the year results and your own game against the Gators, is it any surprise that you edged out a win against us but Florida plastered us like they did? 2007 was an exception to that rule, but of all the seasons I can think of, 2007 is the one that most proves Kyle’s theory, as we really did have a massive number of injuries that year. Our defense, which helped us notch the victory against you in Athens, was playing only a few of its original starters when we hosted Florida. Notably, during the Zook years when UGA was usually better than Florida and was generally at its best under Richt, you guys planted a five game winning streak on us and got a blowout one year. It’s also not a coincidence that we beat you in 2000 and 2001. Those were average Dawgs teams and some of our best.

I think what I’m trying to say is that, however you want to spin it, we’re not as awful as you think we are and you’re not as great as you think you are, at least in comparison to Florida and the UT teams from several years back.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a fair point

Going 3-17 over 2 decades against another team certainly lends credence to “you’re not usually as good as Florida”. But I don’t know if that’s the whole truth. I went to the 2002, 2004, and 2006 UGA/South Carolina games in Columbia and the crowd was raucous for all of them. I also went to the UF/South Carolina game in 2007 and I didn’t get the same hyped up sense from the crowd in that game. Granted, that may be attributable to the slide that you were in at that point in the season, but there just seemed to be a completely different aura around the entire program for that game compared to any of the Georgia games I’ve been to in Columbia. I’m not saying that explains the closeness of the games anymore than the argument that Florida’s just better, but it seems that everyone around that program just gets more geeked up for Georgia. Then again, I’ve been wrong before.

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by AuditDawg on Feb 13, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

There's probably some truth to that...

The fans at the UGA games are raucous. Most fans consider the game to be a major rivalry game and that leads to a crazy atmosphere, especially if the game is close. It’s also, like you say, possible that the fans get into the UGA game because it’s early in the year and there’s still lots of hope that we’ll do well, whereas when we play Florida, we’re usually already out of the SEC race. I’m sure all of that gives us a little edge compared to what we have against the Gators. Still, your point about your record against Florida just lends credence to what I was saying in the earlier post. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that a team that you’re 3-17 against over the last 20 years has a better record against us and wins by larger margins than you do.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I started following South Carolina closely in 2000

Which was the first time we defeated you when Holtz was here. We’ve played pretty well against Georgia every year except one.

One of the reasons I think South Carolina fans take the game so seriously is because Georgia was the SEC team we played the most when we were in the ACC and independent. (And, I believe, in the precursor to Conference USA.) So it’s one of the few games, along with Clemson, that spans all generations of South Carolina fans.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Feb 15, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivalry a result of winning %?

I agree that the Arkansas game should be more of a rivalry, but hell, who’s willing to make a trip to the other school to see a game – it’s like a 14-hour drive. They may end up disliking eachother, but the rivalry will never form simply because of distance. When the SEC made Arkansas and USC permanent divisional rivals it was a poor move. Arkansas was developing a glorious tradition with Tennessee and South Carolina should have stuck with Mississippi State (the series is tied at 6-6 since USC joined the SEC and the fan bases would have been much closer to eachother for some smack talkin).

Let’s face it, USC isn’t against having terribly lopsided rivalries either. I won’t mention that SEC team in the state that seems to bring out the worst in everyone. My guess is that it’s Florida or Tennessee that’s taking the number 2 spot, but their fans don’t recognize USC as a rival in a manner similar to UGA’s fans.

by HogInAiken on Feb 13, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

We had some good games against MSU back in the day...

Wouldn’t have been against playing them more regularly.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They were paired because of SEC expansion

When the conference went to 12 teams, the new members were …

You guessed it, Arkansas and South Carolina. So the SEC suits though the two were the best match for each other.

I will say that I do have some hard feelings for Arkansas from the time you blew us out and we turned around and blew you out, and then giving us a loss we shouldn’t have had in 2001. So there’s a little bit of rivalry feeling from my end.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Feb 15, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no way...

…to be statistically credible with 50 votes. It’s obvious that GA is #1, but a crap shoot between Tn, FL and AR for the other two slots:

Alcoa presents You Make the Call: Gamecock Man? Cock-n-Fire? Give me your #2 + #3, for the record:

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by War Eagle Atlanta on Feb 14, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

I'll go with (2) Arkansas and (3) Tennessee...

Looks like C & F went with the same two teams but with Tennessee in the two spot in his above post. I’ll let him come and answer for himself, though.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 14, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps...

there could be another pole without UGA on the ballot?

by The Feathered Warrior on Feb 14, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be a good idea...

I think WEA underestimated our hatred for the Dawgs.

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by Gamecock Man on Feb 14, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I could go either way on Tennessee/Arkansas

The Tennessee-South Carolina games in recent years have usually been pretty close contests. (I remember there was a period back in the early Holtz years when I would think, “A game can’t get closer than that” — only to be proven wrong by the next year’s game between the two.) That’s why I think I’d rather beat them than Arkansas. But just the thought of losing to Arkansas makes me a bit sick to the stomach. In any case, they both really pale in comparison to Georgia.

Fanblogs … maybe a bit. Not much.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Feb 15, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rivalry with SC....

….has become more intense since they joined the SEC, but I still can’t get excited about the game. Normally we should win 8 out of 10 times. It’s just the dread that a loss is possible. It’s just another game that you should win. Sorry.

Plus, I hate the Lake Hartwell Cow college with every fiber of my being. I always pulled for SC when they didn’t play us. I still feel that way. I have some good friends from Columbia, and I just don’t consider it a heated rivalry. I think it means more to SC people than UGA (historically).

Hate is reserved for GT & Florida.

I wish SC well, just as long as they lose to us :)

by JEFFCODAWG on Feb 26, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

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