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A Response to Lane Kiffin

I know, Lane -- you're just trying to be cute. You think you're funny. You're really just dumb.

Before you say something like this:

Kiffin was equally dogged. But when it was obvious that [Alshon] Jeffrey wasn't going to Tennessee, Kiffin took off the gloves.

According to Jeffrey and Wilson, Kiffin told Jeffrey that if he chose the Gamecocks, he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players from that state who had gone to South Carolina. (HT: Roll Bama Roll)

You better have the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Just so you know:

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Dunta Robinson, pumping gas.

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Andre Goodman, pumping gas.

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John Abraham, pumping gas.

You know what all these guys have in common, Lane? They all still have jobs in the NFL -- sort of like you don't. (Full disclosure: Robinson was born in Georgia, not South Carolina, but I could find other natives.) The last two went to the NFL playoffs this past season. I don't know if you've heard of the NFL playoffs, because you've never been there, and never really seemed to be trying to get there while you were with Oakland. By the way, that last picture is of John Abraham, sacking your quarterback Jamarcus Russell -- well, your former quarterback. You had already been fired by the time that picture was taken.

For the record, I don't hope Spurrier lays 50 on Tennessee this year. I hope the Gamecocks score at least 60. By throwing a 50-yard TD pass with 34 seconds left.

There's nothing wrong with running your mouth a bit, even during recruiting. But at least have some, you know, basis in fact before you spout off.

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Geez Louise...

What a tool this guy is. I give him three years. And I hope we lay the wood hard this year. If Jonathan Crompton is his QB, the sky’s the limit.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the club

The “I hope we beat Tennessee by 60” bandwagon has room for everyone!

by Year2 on Mar 10, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The one thing I don't understand...

I get fans being upset about Kiffin talking trash on their schools, I understand that you find it annoying, heck I’m even starting to find it a little annoying… but when people talk about putting up 50 or 60 points on us it just seems to take all credibility out of any argument you’re trying to make. We had one of the best defenses in the country last year, never allowing more than 30 points in a single game, and now we have arguably the best defensive minded coach in football history on our staff in Monte Kiffin and we still have Eric Berry… so I could understand people wanting to beat us badly, even hoping to shut us out would be understandable with how much of a joke our offense was, but even having any sort of hope or expectation of beating us by 60 points is something I can’t understand.

by Colts18 on Mar 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

South Carolina won't beat you by 60...

In fact, I’ll count it a great day if we manage to win, as I always do. However, while they may not beat you by 60, you might have a rough day in store when you go to Gainesville.

Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans. http://www.garnetandblackattack.com

by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As someone who is still smarting from 49-10 . . .

. . . let me assure you that Urban Meyer has that game circled on his calendar, that Urban Meyer will know the point spread going into the Tennessee game, that Urban Meyer will cover it, and that Urban Meyer will refer to Urban Meyer in the third person afterwards.

It’s going to get ugly in the Swamp.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Mar 10, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does hoping...

that we’ll beat Tennessee by 60 diminish anyone’s argument? No one said we will beat you by 60 points. 1+1 still equals 2, even if you may secretly hope it equals 3. In fact, I’ll do you one better. I hope South Carolina wins by 100.

by The Feathered Warrior on Mar 10, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weapons Grade Snark

Very well played sir.

by Watchman on Mar 10, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

joined...

…just to rec this post.

by kleph on Mar 10, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In regards to Dunta Robinson

Let’s not forget that the guy who signs his checks, that Bob McNair guy, is also a USC alum.

Time to get back to the gas pumps.

by USCExileInCharlotte on Mar 10, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"I could find other names"

Please do. Thanks.

By the way, EVERY school does negative recruiting. Every single one. I’m pretty sure Kiffin was referring to the graduation rates of players from South Carolina attended SCe.

Listen, I come in peace … but still. Everybody wants to make Kiffin out to be a villain, and he’s doing a really, really good job of it himself. Why do we need to use third-hand information like this from Low about Jeffrey? I mean, come on.

I’m sure Spurrier never says anything like that.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone does negative recruiting in the "that program is on the way down" sort of way...

Or the “that coach will be retiring soon” sort of way; I’m sure our recruits get that line quite a bit, perhaps rightly so. But I don’t think every coach tells players that opposing schools place all their recruits in gas stations.

Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans. http://www.garnetandblackattack.com

by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

Kiffin’s comment was out-and-out bush league. As you said, he’s doing quite a good job at continuously putting himself in that “bush league” category.

But, this one hits a little below the belt, and, the thing of it is … South Carolinians, for better or worse (usually the latter), are a prideful people, and, well, his comment struck a nerve.

Moreover, it’s a comment that, as evidenced, is easily refutable.

It’s one thing to be a jerk and have something to back it up. I mean, I’ll admit it, I cursed the name of Steve Spurrier in his Florida days, but, no matter how much I hated him, I couldn’t NOT tip my hat to him, because he was backing it up on the field. Exactly what has Kiffin done to excuse his idiotic behavior? Nothing.

UT, especially for Gamecock fans, is more years than not, going to be a target anyway. Now that target is just getting bigger. Sorry.

by USCExileInCharlotte on Mar 10, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Target?

Good thing for us that South Carolina has the equivalent of a pea shooter

I keed, I keed.

Great site you have here fellas, today is my first time visiting. I have a feeling with Kiffin around, we are going to get a little good-natured rivalry of our own going.

by Oskie on Mar 10, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we're not a Florida-sized gun, but I think 27-6 constitutes slightly more than pea-shooter caliber artillery...

I keed, I keed.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, only S.C. natives or recruits out of high school

Current:
Sheldon Brown, 112 games in seven seasons, including 14 picks
Johnathan Joseph, 39 games in three seasons, including his four-interception campaign in 2007
Those are the best. There are several more current NFL players on rosters.

Past:
Robert Brooks, who caught 102 passes for 1,497 yards and 13 TDs in 1995, one of his eight seasons in the league
Duce Staley, who had three seasons where he rushed for more than 1,000 yards and averaged 4.0 ypc over his career

Again, only S.C. natives. That doesn’t count the guys from outside the state — George Rogers ring a bell?

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what the problem is

I know Kiffin is an ass. But this comment was NOTHING. Maybe we’re just so used to him saying crap that we think this is minuscule.

Either way, WE DON’T KNOW THAT HE SAID IT. We just assume he did because an 18-year-old kid and his SC-supporting coach said it??? Come on.

Congratulations on a great recruiting class and an ancient coach who used to be a legend, but come on. We all know what’s going to happen here in a year or two. The Gamecocks are going to settle into their customary fourth-place finish in the East, and the Vols will be right up there nestled in third.

: )

You guys are taking this a little too hard.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Kiffin had no track record of saying things like that . . .

It might be different. Knowing his history of moronic comments, though, I’m going to with the recruit.

It’s also not just what he said, but how he said it. If he had said something like, “Tennessee has more NFL alumni than South Carolina” — no harm, no foul. It’s absolutely true. Even if he had said, “You’ll have a better chance of making the NFL with the Vols than with the Gamecocks” — matter of interpretation, basis in fact, I might not like it but he’s got every right to say it. The suggestion that everyone who plays at South Carolina ends up “pumping gas” is what I took exception to. (Not to mention, the whole post was obviously a bit tongue-in-cheek.)

And while the Gamecocks might end up in fourth, I’d like to see Kiffin actually, you know, coach before I decide whether or not he’s all bluster. We are, after all, 2-2 against Tennessee since Spurrier came.

Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.

by cocknfire on Mar 10, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Stoops

He talked a WHOLE LOTTA trash before he’d ever won a game at Oklahoma, and we see how that turned out. I’m not suggesting that we have the next Stoops by any means, but there is a possibility. Everybody’s setting up Kiffin to fail because they hate him and he likes to talk. That’s it.

What if he’s a really, really good coach? Hmmmmm. Surely that’s not too logical for you guys.

By the way … while I’m here … I’ve visited before, but I really like the fan communication stuff and I really like the site. Good job, guys. Hopefully, you guys will return the favor to www.3sib.com. We just moved sites, so we’re trying to get readership back up, but we’re doing pretty well.

Again, I like the digs here, and I come in peace. Until Spurrier, I never had anything against South Carolina, and it’s obvious you guys are a recruiting force. I’d just like to see Tennessee get a little more credit.

Guess the new coaching staff will have to win first. But Kiffin will never be respected.

Your coach was an arrogant prick, too when he came into the SEC. But he did have one ACC championship.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: your site, I updated the link when you guys sent out notice a while back...

And I like 3SIB. Glad you came by.

As far as Kiffin goes, I think the thing that gets most people is that he’s running his mouth so much despite not having proven anything yet. So what if Spurrier ran his mouth back in 1990? He had an ACC Title, a successful tenure as a coach in the USFL, not to mention a Heisman and significant NFL playing experience. What does Kiffin have? Success riding Pete Carroll’s coattails and utter, complete failure in the NFL. Oh yeah, he has his dad’s name. I know you probably hate Spurrier, but there’s really no comparison between Kiffin and Spurrier’s accomplishments upon taking their respective first major college coaching gigs.

Now, this isn’t to say that Kiffin won’t be a great coach. Maybe he will be. He certainly has the resources in Knoxville to prove himself—great tradition, enthusiastic fan base, recruiting advantages, nice staff. But it would be nice if he proved himself before mouthing off.

By the way, none of this is meant as a jab at UT per se, other than in that I find it little odd that Vols fans would take it upon themselves to defend Kiffin’s inexcusable behavior. I don’t have any particular dislike for Vols fans outside of the fact that you’re a formidable SEC opponent.

Garnet and Black Attack: A Blog by and for Gamecocks Fans. http://www.garnetandblackattack.com

by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he doesn't just have his dad's name

He has his dad’s knowledge of the game. And, now, he has his dad.

I mean, we’ve got a nice little package over here, I think. I hope.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Monte Kiffin < Don Shula

Therefore: Lane Kiffin < Mike Shula

Monte is a great pro coach. Being a great pro coach and being a great college coach are two different things, though, and Monte’s track record of success in college was dubious even before he bumped Joe Paterno down to second place in the “Coaching College Football Past the Age of 1,000” sweepstakes.

This hire was a fumble. I respect your need to fall on it, but you know and I know that, three years from now, when he’s gone, you’re going to admit that we were right all along.

It’s Steve Spurrier’s mouth on Gene Chizik’s resume. Not an attractive combination, no matter how hot Layla is.

Go 'Dawgs!

by T Kyle King on Mar 10, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for the fans part ...

I think the younger fans love that we have a coach who isn’t afraid of anything. As a matter of fact, we want him to be one way or the other. I want him to be a COMPLETE jerk or a real nice guy. I don’t like calling Meyer a cheater and then apologizing.

Either don’t freakin’ do it or do it and stick your tongue out like you did at Spurrier’s recruiting test jab.

With Fulmer, we were Mr. Politically Correct on everything. Even though he turned in Bama, he was the nice guy, and he coached like a “nice guy” (aka, a little bitch) against Florida and some against Bama and pretty much all the time against Spurrier. We got sick of it.

Kiffin is the anti-Fulmer. Maybe he is coaching, too.

As far as “defending” Kiffin, I do because that’s just me. I’m defiant when it comes to MY coach, MY program, etc. But I think most UT fans are just kind of shaking their heads and wanting Kiffin to just hush for a little while. I don’t think it’s “defending” HIM as much as “supporting” the program. Does that make sense?

He’s our coach. For better or for worse. What do you expect us to do? We’re not going to hate him yet. He’s not failed yet. If he’s a bigtime winner and a Hugh Jass, what does it matter? None to me.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All fine points, I guess...

I still think Kiffin is full of it, but I guess I can’t blame you for “supporting” him, although I’m still not sure about those that “defend” his odd behavior. It’s only natural that you would support the guy you’re school hired to lead your program. Even if he hasn’t proven anything yet, he hasn’t failed at UT yet, either, so he’s got that going for him.

FWIW, I never had too much against Fulmer. Of course as a South Carolina fan he wasn’t my favorite, but I did respect his devotion to UT. I certainly don’t blame UT for letting him go, though. The program was clearly moving away from UT standards.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

And just curious, did you guys support Spurrier’s jab at Kiffin even though it wasn’t factual? It was sort of a he-he, blind loyalty to an extent. Even though it wasn’t true, do you guys think he shoudn’t have done it? Heck no. You like a little smack.

We like a little, too. I just don’t like THIS much.

by The Ghost on Mar 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's be honest.

Spurrier hasn’t thrown any “jabs” in the four plus years he’s been at South Carolina. He’s really been a model citizen since moving to Columbia. The closest he has come was his quip about Kiffin getting right to work when he arrived at UT. Honestly, though, this was blown way out of proportion by the media, et al. To me, the remark seemed more like an off-handed comment on how quickly Kiffin was getting started – almost a compliment. Still, Spurrier’s response was to follow up with an apology and basically call Kiffin smarter than himself.

Now let’s contrast that with Kiffin’s remarks, which cannot be construed as anything but antagonistic name-calling. I personally think the reason Kiffin’s latest comment has been received so poorly is it sounds like the kind of stereotypical remark that any small-minded individual around the country might make. Everyone in South Carolina is well-aware of its (mostly undeserved) reputation around the rest of the US, but that doesn’t mean we like it perpetuated in the national media. We fight against that crap every day, as does UT. Believe me, Vanderbilt’s shine doesn’t rub off on you nearly as much as you might think.

As for your choosing to trust that Kiffin did not actually utter such a comment, I can’t really argue with you there. I would probably do the same thing if I were in your shoes. I just want to point out that Kiffin had to own up to his other indiscretions, as those were all caught on tape. I think Kiffin realizes how extremely distasteful his latest outburst was and is trying to cover it up. After all, who has more incentive to lie, Alshon or Kiffin?

You’re right about one thing, though, I would like a little smack – a la the back of Spurrier’s hand across Kiffin’s face.

by The Feathered Warrior on Mar 11, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Lane Kiffin has done the impossible (if not incredible); he’s made Al Davis look like he knew what he was doing.

by txhawkeye on Mar 11, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only we had a control group...

of coaches who also recuited Alshon to see if Alshon accussed them putting down the entire state of South Carolina too. Oh wait, that’s right. Alshon and his coach havn’t accused Pete Carrol of saying anything.

by The Feathered Warrior on Mar 11, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this from a guy who has yet to coach a game

Just wait until the season. I hope he likes the taste of feet, because he can’t get his foot out of his mouth.

by btcoop71 on Mar 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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