Tuesday News and Notes: Rating the SEC Coaches and other Stuff
You know it's the off season and there's not much to write about when everyone has their coaching rankings up. This Scout.com writer has his here. I can't really disagree with his assessment of Spurrier; the Ball Coach has a great legacy but really hasn't done anything in the past couple of years to validate putting him any higher than sixth. Some might say they wouldn't put Rich Brooks ahead of Spurrier, as the 'Cats really haven't had more success than us over the past few years. However, when you think about it, Brooks has resurrected a program from the grave of probation and has coached them to wins without the help of great talent, whereas Spurrier came into a situation with at least decent talent (the house cleaning in 2005 notwithstanding), has recruited more, and yet has been unable to produce many more wins than his predecessor Dr. Lou. Moreover, as the writer says, what's particularly damning for Spurrier is that what little success we've had over the past two years has come due to defense, and that's not what Spurrier's here for. Not saying I necessarily agree with the assessment of Spurrier-Brooks, but I can see the logic.
One point about this ranking I would have to disagree with, though, is putting Houston Nutt at third while Les Miles is down at seventh. The column claims that
In 2007, LSU won the National Title. They won that title in spite of their coach. Les Miles did everything he could to prevent them from winning the crystal football. But, vastly superior talent covered up Miles' coaching mistakes enough to make them the first two-loss team ever to win the National Title.
This seems patently false to me. Some of Miles's decisions were pretty wacky, but some of those same decisions helped the Tigers win games. I guess what the writer could be saying is that those decisions only worked because the Tigers had talent. However, this still seems off to me; the Tigers still would have lost the game to Florida if not for Miles's gambling. Now, I'm not saying Les is the best coach in the league. He clearly makes some strange decisions from time to time. But he's also a good recruiter running a powerful program and did win a national title. Has Houston Nutt done anything like that? And is Houston Nutt any less apt to make decisions that seem to cost his team games?
Also, check out Year 2's take on conference championship games. SEC fans are fond of crowing about our conference because it started the championship game craze, but as Year 2 points out, there may be good reasons for other conference to avoid the format. And check out this column about Tarence Kinsey. With the Cavs looking well nigh unstoppable right now, I'd say Kinsey will have a championship soon. And as usual, check out Around the Bases at TSK.
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From Brooks' twitter account
Planted some tomatos yesterday and can’t wait for them to start. I love fresh tomatos.
11:10 AM May 8th from web
I don’t know why, but that is awesome.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 12, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spurrier should get on twitter.
I guess we’d just get a bunch of golf updates, though. Not as cool as Brooks’ gardening habits.
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by Gamecock Man on May 12, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree that Miles seems pretty low at 7
Writer must not like LSU.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 12, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not an uncommon perception that he's a bad coach. I guess I tend to think he's a bit better than most give him credit for.
Results don’t lie.
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by Gamecock Man on May 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles is underappreiated beause he is unonventional
It’s just like those who say Mike Leach can’t win big games with his style. Leach can’t win big games because Oklahoma and UT have a huge talent advantage, but he still manages to take each of them down every couple years.
That’s why it is safer to fail conventionally. The establishment will say you “made the right call” and you’ll last longer than someone like Miles or Leach, both of whom consistently thumb their nose at conventional thinking.
by GwinnettGamecock on May 12, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its what they said about Herban Meyer too....
But we all know how that turned out. I think the label ‘gimmick offense’ is a term the media likes to discredit schemes they don’t like. If there is an aspect of a scheme that is the norm within that scheme, by definition isn’t it the opposite of ‘gimmick’?
by Charlestowne on May 12, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just schemes they don't like (although that's certainly part of it)...
As far as the media is concerned, it also has a lot to do with who the coach is and where he’s coaching. Leach is at Texas Tech, a small-market school. ESPN and other big media outlets would prefer to downplay their success because it’s not as profitable to have Texas Tech all over Sportscenter as it is to have Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida, etc. It’s no mistake that Meyer was a gimmick coach until he proved that his offense could win at Florida. Then he became a genius. No matter that he had already proven he could do big things while at smaller schools.
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by Gamecock Man on May 12, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
ESPN only cares about ratings and the conferences that they cover.
Envy our past......Fear our future
by btcoop71 on May 12, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I hate the NFL.
--Robert
by a gamecock fan on May 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
err...
“That’s why it is safer to fail conventionally. The establishment will say you "made the right call" and you’ll last longer than someone like Miles or Leach, both of whom consistently thumb their nose at conventional thinking.”
…is why I hate the NFL.
--Robert
by a gamecock fan on May 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my personal opinion
I’d flip Brooks and Vandy’s Bobby “The Jerk” Johnson, for WINNING A BOWL GAME AT VANDERBILT.
--Robert
by a gamecock fan on May 13, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about Johnson.
If Brooks gets so much credit for having three straight winning seasons at Kentucky, I see no reason why Johnson shouldn’t get credit for what he’s done at Vandy. Having three straight four-win seasons at Vandy is harder than what Brooks has done, and winning a bowl game at Vandy…well, that’s brutal.
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by Gamecock Man on May 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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