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Comparing Quarterbacks; Garcia vs. Shaw

I like many others have been calling for Spurrier to give Shaw a chance to show what he can do.  Shaw has received limited playing time and often in unusual situations.  Often times it has been later in the game, but with the East Carolina game he started the season under center before being replaced by Stephen Garcia in the second quarter. 

So, let's see what we are working with here with a little statistical analysis of Connor Shaw and Stephen Garcia.  In case anyone is wondering I used stats from ESPN mostly, for the fumbles I used TeamRankings.com. 

Stats after the jump

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Passing          Garcia           Shaw
completion % '10 64.2 69.7
completion % '11 51.7 36.4
Completions Career 589 27
Attempts Career 1021 44
Completion % Career 57.69 61.36
Avg QB Rating 2011 109.5 68.25
     
Rushing          Garcia           Shaw
Attempts 329 41
Rushing Yards 777 205
Avg. 2011 5 4.4
Avg. Career 2.36 5
     
Turnovers          Garcia           Shaw
Interceptions 2011 9 0
Attempts per INT 2011 13.1               N/A
Interceptions 2010 14 2
Attempts per INT 2010 24.92 16.5
Interceptions Career 55 3
Attempts per INT career 24.9 22
     
Fumbles Total career 14 1
Rush Att per Fumble career 23.5 41
Fumbles 2011 0 1
Attempts per Fumble               N/A 9
     
Turnover Total Career 55 3
Rush + Pass Total Attempts 1350 85
Att(rush+pass)per Turnover 24.54 28.33

 

A couple of things really stick out to me, Garcia improved in year 2 and year 3.  I think we are all just shocked by this regression this year.  With this year's 51.7% completions, he has regressed to worse than his 2008 stats.  But Shaw isn't exactly lighting it up this year when he gets the chances, in 2011 he is completing 36.4% of his passes.  This is down from last year when he completed 69.7%, and those only two Interceptions occurred against Auburn in his real SEC game.  Going back through the numbers you see a lot of Shaw's stat lines for 4 of 5 or so in 2010.  It is hard to really feel confident about the categories in which Shaw holds an edge over Garcia, because the sample size is so much smaller.  Who really know what we'll see if Shaw gets the job for the next game or even the next three games.  He has a better career completion percentage, fewer turnovers per pass+rushing attempt, a higher rushing avg. yards/attempt.  All of this is even harder to judge, because most of the time he was playing when the game was decided.  The Auburn game and the ECU game this year both make me a little nervous that he can't handle the pressure well, but we'll see.

 

The other thing about this is the regression of both players.  The fact that both players are not able to match, or even come close to what they produced last year is particularly troubling.  If either of these guys could get to 60% or better regularly, we would be so much better on offense.  And we are all reaching for reasons to explain this downturn.  It's the play-calling, the coaches, our head case players or the offensive line's inability to block.  With numbers like these I seem to think that it is more of a coaching issue.  I can't believe both of these players would have regressed this much.

I think we were ready for Garcia to really take off, maybe Spurrier was, too.  And maybe that's why he's been trying to just throw the ball around the park, but nothing has really been working.  We do need to shake things up, and as a fan I am excited about the opportunity to see what Shaw can do in a complete game.  I don't have unrealistic expectations, on the year Shaw has a 36.4 completion percentage, which is actually worse than Garcia's 39.1% performance against Auburn.  I hope Spurrier is ready to shake up more than the player that is under center, because if these numbers hold true, just putting in Shaw may not be enough.  Although, with Shaw's 28.3 plays per turnover, I like our chances to commit less than 4 offensive turnovers on Saturday.

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Connor Shaw

has got to be downright awful.

Because as bad as Garcia has been this year, and Shaw has still not seen the field tells me all I need to know about how bad Shaw must be.

Re-sign Josh Willingham now!

by sf drift king on Oct 4, 2011 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

i dunno if that is necessarily the case.

it was clear that as long as we were undefeated, Garcia was going to start because of the record and his experience, in hopes that he would find whatever made him a huge threat last season. Garcia at his best is better than Shaw right now.

I’ve gotta think Shaw is currently better than 2011 Garcia, assuming Stephen’s play stays the same.

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by walknbalk on Oct 4, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not the case.

Asserting that a bench player must be “downright awful” because the starter ahead of him is performing poorly is about as logical as saying a 2nd place team is awful because the 1st place team is in a slump. Stephen earned his starting spot, and has subsequently lost it. Stephen is a 1st place team that slumped its way out of 1st, and now we get to see if Shaw is ready to hold steady, if not surge ahead. (Sorry for the extended metaphor, been watching a lot of baseball.)

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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Oct 4, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I quit watching baseball a week ago.

Still trying to get the taste of vomit out of my mouth. Aack lol

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by walknbalk on Oct 5, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes.

The Braves collapse was painful, yes, but MLB playoffs is as good as it gets IMO.

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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Oct 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah! I guess I'm just a bigger fan of baseball than I am of the Braves, specifically.

But I am a huge Braves fan. I did have to take a few days away from baseball. But I’m already sucked into all these divisional series.

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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Oct 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh, interesting.

That’s is how I feel about soccer. No interest unless my team is involved. Luckily, I don’t have a team. /trollgaze

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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Oct 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

Yeah, soccer is profoundly boring to watch. Although I do go see the local pro soccer team occasionally. Nice way to spend a summer afternoon in Upstate NY.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 5, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I LOVE baseball and the Braves.

Too much so. seems like i get sliced and diced by them, or by some improbable team in the division series every year. been a fan since 1996…enough said.

I did watch the Phils and Cards game tonight, only because I love watching the Phillies lose.

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by walknbalk on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where you're wrong.

The Gamecocks do field a Soccer team. One of my best friends played soccer at Carolina.

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by skandrewj62j on Oct 6, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Gamecocks have pretty good soccer, actually.

I was pretty into the women’s soccer team a few years ago when they were playing well.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 6, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote this post to get myself prepared for what I should expect from the QB on Saturday.

….and I might have been trying to look in the numbers to convince myself that Shaw is in fact our best option. The numbers though are really back and forth for each player. The thing that matters most to me is turnovers. And unfortunately for Shaw, who has done some good things, he has three turnover indelibly imprinted in my mind.

Still, I expect him to have a better game that the 36% completion percentage he has on the year. I think ECU was more first game and first start jitters. Hopefully he’s ready to play more to his level.

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by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

It's really hard to say how good he's going to be based on numbers analysis. The sample size is very small for him, and most of the situations were not what might be called normal.

i.e., the Auburn performance last year is skewed by the fact that he was in a position where he had to throw the ball downfield. Would he have thrown two INTs if we weren’t playing catchup? Don’t know.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 5, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just watching the Melvin Ingram highlights.

and before one of the plays was a graphic for stats for Trotter and Garcia.

Ok, SG#5 was 5/9, 81 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT at this point. And to think, he would only complete 4 more of his passes, and two of those would be throws to the middle of the field in the last minute.

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by skandrewj62j on Oct 5, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Shaw was good at Auburn last year

He did throw 2 picks, the first one being sort of bad, but he was tricked by a linebacker moving deep into coverage.

But, the second pick was a potentially game tying TD pass to Alshon in the end zone. It was on target, hit Alshon in the hands and Alshon dropped it where it was caught by the CB.

I think we forget that Shaw was thrown into that game late after we had totally fallen apart and led the team down the field twice.

The ECU game is a different story obviously, but he was was competent against Auburn and that’s more than we can say about Garcia.

by Aaron Luther on Oct 5, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. I don't think he was bad against Auburn last year.

And many of my Auburn friends said the same. Actually, they were all wondering why he didn’t get in this past weekend, as they all think he’s better than Garcia.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say there's some measure of leeway you have to give him re: ECU...

First game starting, national audience, neutral crowd. Remember, he was leading a nice drive before that fumble. I’ll excuse the hiccups. Let’s hope, in the friendly confines of WB, he can settle in by the 2nd quarter or so. (SOS: Read this as “Run Lattimore lots, conservatively intersperse throws.” Not the other way around.)

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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Oct 5, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hitting Targets

and making the throws is the key. Garcia missed easy throws as was shown on tv and noted by the announcers. His confidence is shot, much like a pitcher who can’t throw a strike.
Give Shaw time and he will be adequate enough. The oline needs to improve immensely so that Shaw can have time to throw and Lattimore, and 22-a rising star-Wilds, have some lanes and to run.
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by wilmywoodcock on Oct 5, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

"much like a pitcher who can’t throw a strike"

Yeah, I’ve begun to wonder if he has some problem of that sort, too. It’s called Steve Blass disease, right?

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 5, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Steve Blass, the Chuck Knoblauch, the Rick Ankiel, the Mark Wohlers.

I prefer the Chuck Knoblauch myself, as in Garcia is getting Knob’d.

btw, anyone find it at least interesting that Spurrier is not saying anything critical at Stephen any longer? i wonder if he was pressured to ease up, or is it the fact that Garcia is not really a student any more and can leave, or did he just give up entirely on him?

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by walknbalk on Oct 5, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knoblauch?

How are we throwing fielders in there with pitchers and former pithcers (Ankiel)?

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by skandrewj62j on Oct 6, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

because the affliction is not limited to pitchers.

knoblauch had it too, he could not make the throw from 2nd base position to 1st at the end of his career.

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by walknbalk on Oct 6, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to say why Spurrier isn't being critical to Garcia.

Could be that Garcia is going through a tough time with his grandfather’s death. Or maybe he has given up on him. Unlike a lot of people, I think it’s very possible we’ve seen the last of Garcia. I think Shaw will have to really bomb and we’ll have to lose a couple more upsets for Garcia to get another look, unless perhaps Garcia comes out and starts nailing it in practice.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 6, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I'm saying this....

but I think I feel sorry for the guy. He has brought much of this on himself from keying th profs car to having three whores in his room past curfew the night before the game v. free shoes u to being drunk at a life skills event. However, following the mental beatdown from hbc over four years plus his antics, he is mental toast, bad news for a qb. Yes, he is done Gamecock Man. Go Shaw, Go Cocks, Act II is upon us and hope to see another SEC title game.
BTW, Ankiel might be more appropriate, just an opinion.

by wilmywoodcock on Oct 6, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm excited for the Connor Shaw era

I think Spurrier correctly identified that Shaw was the better QB in fall practice, made the decision to start him at ECU, second-guessed his decision after SC fell behind mostly due to factors beyond Shaw’s control, and then decided to stick with Garcia until he either figured it out or cost us a game. Unfortunately, it was the latter scenario that played out.

I’ve been very perplexed every time I’ve heard a fan suggest that Connor Shaw is some kind of bum. I have no idea what they’re basing this on. His stellar high school career? His low 60s completion % in limited college snaps? The fact that he’s a couple of steps faster than Garcia? The fact that he has excellent makeup and grew up a coach’s son?

It would be one thing if Shaw was all makeup and no tools, but it seems pretty clear to me that he has the tools. Those deep ball against ECU were awfully pretty.

But all I’m expecting is league average play from Shaw (i.e., does not make me want to set my house on fire). Anything else is gravy.

by Connor Tapp on Oct 7, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree. This is exactly what I thought going into ECU. I'll admit I had my doubts after that game, but at this point, I think it's pretty clear why Spurrier had his doubts about Garcia coming into the season.

And you’re right. I have no idea why people think Shaw is a bum. He was highly rated coming out of high school and likely would have a been a four-star if he had been an inch or two taller. I think that if we give him time to settle in, people will be surprised at the kind of player he can be for us.

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by Gamecock Man on Oct 7, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

good post

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by Flounder on Oct 8, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

New use for Garcia

As a life long Gamecock and a new member of this blog I wanted to throw up an idea I have for how SC can utilize Steven Garcia. With his speed , size and experience why not play him as a fullback or a tight end? Steven seems to be a true team player. I think he would willingly jump at the opportunity and think of the flexibility it would add to this new offense!

by Skullsboy on Oct 8, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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