Why I'm Against an LSU-Alabama Rematch in the BCS Title Game
After a chaotic weekend in which many of the contenders from other conferences were upset, it's beginning to appear very likely that the BCS Title Game will feature a rematch between LSU and Alabama. (Arkansas may have something to say about that this weekend, though.) I'm against this under any circumstances, and not just because of some vague notion that "Alabama got its chance." I have two reasons: the regular season is a playoff under the current system, and you can't get a good sense of who is the best team in the nation without matching up teams from two conferences.
The first point is fairly self-explanatory. As I understand it, under the current BCS system, the regular season serves as a playoff. That means that Alabama was eliminated from contention when it lost to LSU. Another team needs to get a shot. If a playoff is instituted that includes berths for non-conference champions (and I would probably be against that, too), it would make sense for there to be rematches. However, that would be a different system than the one we have now, so it's irrelevant to the situation at hand.
More importantly, I think it's shortsighted to say that Alabama and LSU are clearly the best teams in the nation before they've been matched up against teams from other conferences. LSU, of course, has an impressive win over Oregon, but that was a long time ago it's only one game. Otherwise, all we know about these teams is based on the what they've done in the SEC against common opponents. We just don't know how they would match up against teh best of other conferences. Obviously, based on recent post-season results, there is abundant reason to believe that the best teams in the SEC are among the best in the nation. However, you just never know until you match the conference champions against each other in the post-season. In 2006, a lot of people thought that Michigan and Ohio State were the best two teams in the country and favored a rematch between the Buckeyes and Wolverines for that reason. However, better minds prevailed, and in the bowls we learned that not only were the Buckeyes not the best team in the nation, but that both teams were overrated and had built their reputations by feasting on subpar Big 10 competition. While I don't think the SEC is as weak as the Big 10, I do think it is necessary to give other conferences a shot in order to make sure each year. The BCS Title Game shouldn't feature rematches between conference foes in order to effectively weed out any bias that uncomparable competition has worked into the voting.
All of this being the case, I hope that voters influence the system by heavily voting against a rematch.
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Ok - I'll play the contrarian ...
1. The current system may stink, but it pits the two best teams against each other. The two best teams (currently) are Bama and LSU, with Arky sniffing at a close third. If the two best teams are from the same conference, so be it.
2. South Carolina makes more money if two teams play in the NC game, and Arkie (or Bama or LSU) plays in a BCS bowl. If money is a good enough reason to expand to 14, then money is a good enough reason for the SEC to have both sides of the NC game.
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Well...
Part of my point is that we can’t really know that ‘Bama and LSU are the best until we pit them against teams from other conferences. Remember, in 2006 a lot of people thought Ohio St. and Michigan were clearly the best teams, as they had both romped through the Big 10, played each other closely, and lowly Florida had had numerous troubles with its conference competition. We only learned the truth once OSU and Michigan were pitted against teams from other conferences. I think the same thing applies here. LSU has to prove its mettle against the best from outside the SEC to truly prove its the best team in the land. Otherwise, we can’t really compare it to other teams with any true accuracy.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 20, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
What about the moolah aspect, then?
Certainly the rich get richer …. but USC gets a cut of the post-season dough. Currently, we are mortgaged to the very hilt …. a Bama-LSU rematch plus the Hogs in a BCS bowl will be extra gravy for the Cocks.
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3 SEC BCS Teams
The only way we get a third team in the BCS bowls is to have UGA win the SEC Championship game, and Arky/Bama/LSU make up any combination of 1 and 2 in the final BCS poll. Even with the chaos…. I don’t know if LSU beating Arkansas and then losing to UGA in Atlanta keeps them inside the top 2. Just my .02
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Nov 20, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Alabama did beat a pretty good Penn St.
team on the road. Don’t know how Penn. St. will finish up but they may very well end up in the Big 10 Championship.
But the bottom line is no school in the SEC can really play a tough out of conference schedule because they need home games and bills must be paid. Nevertheless the SEC’s record in the NCG (when not playing SEC schools) and their overall bowl record speaks fro itself. If Bama finishes 11-1 in the SEC West having only lost in overtime to the #1 team I think they probably are the #2 team. The BCSCG is supposed to match 1 v. 2. If Bama and LSU win out they are 1 & 2 even if you don’t like it.
By the way, ask the NFL which teams they think have the most talent?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I don't doubt that the SEC is the best conference.
I think, though, that it should have to continue proving that year in and year out.
BTW, Penn St. is a good team, but they’re clearly not a national title contender. Beating them says little about how LSU or Alabama would do against good teams from the Big 12 or Pac-10.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 20, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I beg to differ
First, I’m an Alabama fan (in case my moniker is not noticed).
But I hope to be responding more as a CFB fan, than a homer.
I agree that the regular season is a ‘kind of’ playoff. That doesn’t mean that it has to be a single-elimination playoff. That would be the same as saying that the loser of the LSU/Oregon game was destined to only play spoiler in their own conference. The FBS regular season playoff is setup to be considered as a season. Alabama played LSU closer than any other opponent before ultimately failing in OT. That doesn’t mean that Alabama is undeserving of playing in the BCSNCG if it retains the 2nd best standing in the rankings. Both LSU and Alabama have played marquee programs from other conferences and have demonstrated dominance over most of their competition far beyond what any other programs have been able to do.
The SEC has consistently maintained top recruitment and coaching, which has translated into developing 4 different teams as recent national champions. To say that the SEC can’t develop two programs that could be the best in the nation rings hollow.
Now, in order for this from becoming the norm the poll voters should be critical of the on field performance and quality of scheduling for all programs in contention. How can you compare the loss to Iowa St. or Baylor or TCU to the loss to #1LSU (in OT by a FG)? No one else is playing the game at the this high of a level against quality opponents like the SEC West leaders have been doing this year. Statistically, this seems like it should be possible.
I agree that it doesn’t appear to be as grandiose than having similar conference champions in a national title bout, but in 2011, maybe there isn’t anyone from another conference close enough. I’d rather see two similar teams battle it out again, than see two bowl games (one of which…the BCSNCG) that are less competitive (though there is no guarantee that a rematch won’t be a blowout one way or the other).
Those are all fair points. Thanks for posting.
I’ll give it some thought before replying.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 20, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm... I don't know where I stand on this. I like your points Gman.
I guess the only thing holding me back is my personal belief that Alabama and LSU are the two best teams in the country. This is tempered by them being 1 and 2 in the AP poll and my familiarity with the SEC. That’s it really. I want to see the two teams that I feel are the best or have the resume that makes them most appealing to me as a BCSNCG contestant. While reading your argument, I do agree that it isn’t fair to force LSU to earn a spot in the National Championship by winning in the SECCG when Alabama gets to sit at home and rest. They don’t have to risk losing to a fired up UGA team or risk losing players to injury. Also, I like your philosophy of having SEC teams play against other conferences so we can really see where we stack up. I think that is extremely valuable.
And, even so, the LSU fans aren’t afraid of Bama and I believe that many LSU fans are clamoring for the opportunity to beat Bama a second time on an even bigger stage, as impossible as that seems. They don’t have a problem with the idea, they are a talented team with a lot of positive energy. They are going to come out and play whoever is in front of them and try to win. I look forward to watching LSU’s remaining games. Truthfully, I am glad that LSU-Arkansas is on Friday, because there is a big part of me that is more interested in that game than the USC-Clemson game the following day.
I really appreciate this post and your thoughts. So, I will have more to say on this subject after we know the result of this Arkansas game. Because that could really throw a wrench in the works.
- FOW
Agree
Completely agree with this post. I also agree that Bama is the 2nd best team in the nation, but do not believe in a rematch. A few other things to point out:
If LSU and Bama both win out, then they will both go to BCS Games. I agree that they must be tested by other conferences. Conferences have down years. People hype the SEC, and I love the SEC but there is a saying “if it’s so hard how are so many teams running through it undefeated each year”. Face it after LSU / Bama / Arkansas, there is a significant drop off to UGA and SCAR. After that there is a GIANT drop off. The point is, every year conference strength can change and there is no way to know unless they play each other.
No one is arguing LSU’s OOC Sched. It was really good. Bama’s OOC Sched on the other hand, was pitiful. They faced Penn State. That’s it. The rest of the teams were “little sisters of the poor”.
Also what if there is a rematch and Bama wins on a NEUTRAL field. LSU won in Tuscaloosa. There would likely be a split national championship and I don’t think anyone wants to see that. Personally I think that they should pit LSU vs a one loss conference champ and put Bama in the Sugar bowl vs another OOC team. At lowest, Bama will be #3 going into their Bowl Game. If they are truly the best 2 teams in the nation then they will both win their respective Bowl Games and end up #1 LSU & #2 Bama in the final BCS poll. Which is where they should be since LSU has defeated them.
Remember 3 years ago Bama was undefeated until the Conference Championship where they lost to 1-loss Florida. A lot of the drama that year was in the Big 12 between OU and TX, but lots of people though Florida & Bama were the best 2 teams in the nation. Florida went on to win the National Championship vs OU and Bama went on to get utterly destroyed by Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Conference vs Conference Bowl games are extremely important to identifying the best team in the nation.
"Conference vs Conference Bowl games are extremely important to identifying the best team in the nation."
Yeah, that’s my main point—I completely agree. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
BTW...
I think it’s great that you bring up what happened to Alabama that year. You just never know how these things will play out in the bowls.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
One thing keeps me from agreeing with you about the rematch...
That one thing is the limit on the number of SEC teams that can play in the BCS games.
Should the stars align and the final BCS ranking be topped by the Western 3 (PLEASE BE TRUE! – sorry , homerism.) I would LOVE for those three teams to play in 3 separate BCS bowls against the highest ranked non-SEC teams. But the BCS rules forbid that occurrence. The only way for three teams – three teams who have certainly earned their proper place in the BCS bowls – from a single conference to make the BCS is for two of them to meet in the MNC title game.
Change the rule (Add a very sarcastic “Yeah. Right.” here.) and I will happily support your proposal. The BCS alliance made the rule and made them to specifically protect against the domination any single conference. I’ll let you decide if their reasons were altruistic or motivated by fiscal concerns.
In the end, I say to those who want no rematch: “You made the rules, friend. We’re just following them.”
Interesting points.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
If Things Play Out With No More Upsets
Bama may be the one of the two most deserving teams (Ugh).
Here’s your statement: “The regular season is a playoff under the current system, and you can’t get a good sense of who is the best team in the nation without matching up teams from two conferences.” Decent points but . . .
It’s also true that the regular season is an audition, and the entire body of work counts. Matching teams from two conferences? Maybe, but the entire point of human and computer polls is to compare teams from different conferences, and the BCS uses them.
For me, just based on those two beastly defenses, and adequate offenses, I can’t see anybody more deserving than LSU-Bama at present (Ugh again). Finally, uncertainty and argument are what give College Football its lore, which I love.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Nov 21, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions
"Finally, uncertainty and argument are what give College Football its lore, which I love."
Now that, my friend, is one thing we can all agree on.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 21, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
If the football gods have any sense of humor at all...
Arkansas will beat LSU.
Auburn will beat Alabama.
Then we’ll have college football armageddon.
Wouldn't be too bad
If that happened and Arkansas beat UGA then it would be Arkansas vs any one of the other conference champions.
I still don't see an argument
You used 06 as part of your argument but that year the #2 team ended up being Florida whose only loss was a fairly close loss to a good Auburn team, in Auburn mid way through the season. Also, the Ohio State Michigan game was the last game of the season.
This is to say if OK State had lost to an Auburn caliber team midway through the season they would still be in the discussion. Also, if Alabama and LSU were both undefeated and playing next week then the loser could be taken out of the argument.
As it stands, however, there is little argument agains LSU and BAMA being the best two teams in the nation. The BCS National Championship is supposed to be between the two best teams in the nation…period. The season is a playoff of sorts but not a straight up playoff.
I also saw in your other post where you had Houston number 2…don’t be silly the best team they played all year was SMU. The only playoff they were playing in was an NIT playoff.
Would I like to see the SEC whoop up on another conference yet again in the NC game? Sure, but that wouldn’t be right because this year it just do happens that the #1 and #2 team are in the same conference assuming both win out. If not, then this whole conversation was for nothing.
I would be a lot more sympathetic to Bama fans
had the loss occurred at LSU. That’s one that they really let get away. I have a similar feeling of regret for Auburn and it sucks. Actually kinda glad UGA won so I don’t have to hear them say that we backed into the SECCG.
Like I said. I really think this post is premature considering the big game on Friday.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Nov 21, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't really matter where the loss occured...
When you compare resumes (assuming chalk plays out), Bama is the most deserving one-loss team.
Another argument against a rematch...
It’s not fair to LSU. (Again, assuming LSU wins out.) LSU went to ’Bama’s house and came out with a win. IMO, there’s nothing that ’Bama can do in the BCS Title Game to negate that fact. For that reason, it would be unfair to hand ’Bama the national title if they won the Title Game.
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It doesn't sound fair, but remember...
If the game had been allowed to end in a tie like they did as I was growing up, would you still be arguing this?
The current rules for a tie-breaker takes away from some of the mystery (lore) of traditional CFB arguments by trying to inroduce absolution.
So by the old standard, Bama and LSU tied.
Neither team played well, offensively, against the other.
Without looking at the score, you can say that it was a tie. Statistically it leaned in favor of Alabama, since they lead most offense stats. The final score, obviously, favored LSU by a FG, which is what seems to matter by today’s standards.
If Alabama had been blown out by LSU, I wouldn’t have felt passionate enough to write this post.
IMHO….Hopefully, Bama blows out Auburn and convincingly defeats LSU during regulation if they both go to the BCSNCG.
If they both play to a tie in regulation and Bama wins in OT…I would have no problem with a shared (split) NC. The Coaches (BCS) should go with Bama and the AP should go with LSU.
That's an interesting way to think about it. Still not sure I agree, but I appreciate your thoughts.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 21, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
My cousin was telling me today
that he had heard a rumor that the BCS was considering having only 1 game a year (1 vs 2) at rotating sites (think superbowl style stadium selection method) and letting all of the bowls go back to their traditional selection methods.
Things doesn’t really solve the rematch problem, but I like it – and I like it a whole lot more than the idea of a playoff, at least at first blush.
Anyone heard this rumor? It certainly solves my problem with the two-team limit rule.
Either way is fine by me
If two SEC teams are #1 and #2 after the smoke of the regular season has settled then so be it. Is it ideal? Probably not. Is it fair? Absolutely. If this is the beginning of the end of the current BCS format then so be it. The way this has all shaken out is weird to say the least. A “perfect storm” if you will. At the end of the day #1 has to play #2 and you’d have to be out of your mind to argue against LSU and Bama holding those respective rankings.
Perhaps this is the “typical SEC football snob” in me, but from everything I’ve seen this year (and I’ve watched a shit load of football) no other team deserves a shot assuming LSU and Bama win out.
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by uscBillsGamecock on Nov 21, 2011 9:06 PM EST reply actions
I have absolutely no interest in seeing a re-match National Title game.
None. I don’t Even like seeing a re-match SEC title game. Face it, ‘Bama, you had your chance and you blew it. It was a good game. Nothing to be ashamed of. Let’s move on. In football you get one shot. One game with your rival, one bowl game, one National Title game. It’s not baseball.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Nov 21, 2011 11:43 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
So who should go?
An Okie St. team that lost to an awful Iowa St. team? A Stanford team that lost to a twice beaten Oregon team? Houston? If the chalk plays out, it’s going to be Alabama.
VT is still floating out there.
And there is not a chance in hell they deserve to play LSU.
Why not?
Isn’t the Okie Lite loss to IA State almost identical to the Florida loss to Ole Miss (with ecstatic Tebow post-game) in their Championship year ? If they win out, they will have 3 big wins over ranked teams (OK, KSU, Baylor). AL has only 2 (Penn State, Arkansas) and one of those was the first week of the season which leads me to put less on it. I can decide quality of wins is more important than quality of loses if it’s the only way to avoid a rematch.
Are you really gonna try to tell me that you have no interest in a rematch?
Before I start this response, I’d like to say that I do agree with Gamecock Man’s points, and I think he has talked me into opposing a rematch. Now, are you really going to say no interest. None? So, would you watch the title game if it was rematch? If, in two weeks, they announce a rematch are you going to upset? Angry? pissed? I know I wouldn’t be. I would always wonder about the SEC vs ___________ . But I would enjoy the game and I would be very interested in watching it. While I agree with your philosophy I would never say I have no interest in a rematch. That was a great game.
But I want to add that if it comes to pass that Bama is not awarded a rematch with LSU, then I hope they will be classy and “face it,” because “you had your chance and you blew it. It was a good game. Nothing to be ashamed of.”
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Nov 22, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think a rematch would be a great team; obviously, the two teams are evenly matched.
I just think the BCS Title Game needs to pit teams from different conferences against each other. Conference-vs.-conference matchups are a key part of figuring out who the best teams are.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
And the more I think about it, the more I agree with you.
I just can’t say that I have zero interest.
Anyways. I hate Clemson. Is that cool?
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Nov 22, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I have zero interest in watching a re-match as far as National Title implications go.
I’ve been known to watch the odd MAC game on Tuesday night, so it’s not like I’m saying the game would be boring. I’m sure it would be a great game, but I don’t think it furthers the end of crowning a National Champion what so ever. As Gamecock Man has laid out, the nature of college football necesitates that the post season pit teams from rival conferences against eachother. Plus, I don’t see the point of playing two games unless there’s also a third if each team happens to win one. In my mind LSU is the better team hands down. They beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa. There’s nothing left to debate. Might was well give the third best team in the country a chance.
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by The Feathered Warrior on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well, then, we're in complete agreement.
Great minds think alike.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I know.
Might have taken you too literally there. I just hope that LSU wins 3 more times this season. Otherwise we will probably end up with a split title.
That really won’t be hard for me to root for LSU….
LSU over Bobby Petrino….. easy.
LSU over UGA…. easy.
LSU to stay undefeated and win the BCSNCG? Easy for me to root for them. Geaux Tigers.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Nov 23, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming chalk plays out...
It’s going to be LSU-Alabama. Obviously, Houston has no shot. You really cannot put a one-loss Okie St. team in over
Entertainment vs what's fair
Most of the resistance to a repeat is on the basis of entertainment value. That’s not fair to Alabama if they win out and LSU wins out. You can’t tell Alabama they are not entitled because it would be more entertaining to see LSU play someone else.
That's actually not my reasoning. I agree with you on that one.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Even with the Iowa State loss, OK St could have the best resume
assuming, or course, they beat Oklahoma. While they would have a loss to an unranked team, An OK win would give them 4 wins over currently ranked teams. Alabama would only have 2.
Good point.
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by Gamecock Man on Nov 23, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions

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