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SEC Releases 2013 Georgia Schedule

ATLANTA, GA - DECEMBER 03:  Once LSU woke up at the SEC Championship, these guys actually represented the University of Georgia better than their football team did.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

After South Carolina defeated Georgia in Athens and compiled a better MOV over the rest of the East only to see the Dawgs back into a division championship thanks to an easier West schedule, many Carolina fans have been paying almost as much attention to the Dawgs' new schedule as our own. Details have begun to leak out that are apparently favorable for the Athenians.

There are rumors that, despite protest out of Columbia, the SEC has complied with Georgia's request to move the Carolina game back towards the middle of the SEC schedule. Gentry Estes of Dawgs247 is now reporting that Georgia will likely lose their previously scheduled 2012 trip to Alabama (premium content), while keeping their return trip from Ole Miss. In contrast, there are rumors floating around that Carolina will lose our scheduled return trip from Mississippi State, while picking up a game in Baton Rouge at LSU.

South Carolina fans are understandably incensed that the Dawgs, fresh off the easiest SEC schedule in modern memory, somehow managed to twist the expansion process to produce an even easier schedule in 2012.

However, it is important to remember that 2012 represents merely a stopgap schedule. Everyone involved in expansion concedes that the SEC is likely to further alter the schedules to a more permanent solution in 2013. What has not been widely reported is that this process is further along than anyone at the SEC office has previously acknowledged. While the conference tries to accommodate the concerns of all schools, there have been inevitable conflicts. Understandably, the founding members often have a bit more pull and favors to call upon in those situations. Though this is subject to minor tweaks as circumstances warrant*, Garnet & Black Attack is pleased to offer an exclusive sneak peak at the University of Georgia's 2013 schedule.

Star-divide

Aug. 31 Georgia State
Sept. 7 Kentucky
Sept. 14 Georgia Southern
Sept. 21 @ Vanderbilt*
Sept. 28 BYE
Oct. 5 South Carolina
Oct. 12 @ Kentucky
Oct. 19 @ Tennessee
Oct. 26 BYE
Nov. 2 Florida (Jacksonville)
Nov. 9 Kentucky (Homecoming)
Nov. 16 @ Kentucky
Nov. 23 West Georgia
Nov. 30 at Georgia Tech

* If Vanderbilt shows evidence of becoming a consistent 6-6 team, the SEC has promised that Georgia will be allowed to host the Commodores rather than risk another Nashville nailbiter in front of hundreds of semi-hostile fans.

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Give Kentucky 3 chances

and they’re bound to put up a TD

by stapleears on Dec 22, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff, Gwinnett.

Shameful that UGA has pushed to weasel back into the SECCG via scheduling instead of proving themselves the old-fashioned way, and that the SEC wants to go along with it. Shameful, but to be expected, I guess.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

3 questions.

How do you know Georgia requested that the game be moved back? And do you honestly believe every school in the league hasn’t been working every angle on this thing? Finally, have you considered sounding a tiny bit less butthurt over this? I think it’s a viable option.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think you posted

before you finished reading GG’s exquisite piece of satire.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Curious if you've already burned your USC diploma

or merely sneer at it when you walk in your office? The contempt is palpable.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

My contempt would be for...

a) whiny people as described below, who get butthurt and can’t properly direct their whining.
and b) losers who go ahead and cry about why they’re gonna fail before even having a chance to succeed (or fail).

I’ve said for a while now that South Carolina’s biggest issue is themselves. All I heard on campus was how the only way they’d win the East is by the big 3 screwing up to give them a chance. Horsedung. As we’ve seen with Spurrier, keeping the best players in state, because there’s a half dozen or more truly elite players in state every year, makes a huge difference. Getting better facilities, better players, better assistants, and the program can win on it’s own, without relying on others to fail to open the door for them.

That is my contempt, and if you notice, it has nothing to do with the school, the program, or the statements by anyone within the program. Just fan crying as Chicken Littles.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

I’ve read your work long enough to have reached a separate conclusion.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I just snarfed a dark and stormy

that was beautiful, vineyard.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your patronage

but your conclusion is wrong.

I’ve said that middle paragraph for several years, on message boards, blogs, and in person.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanchez, I can't share your assessment of the situation.

I’m all for USC having to earn its wings by manning up and facing the same challenges all other programs face. What I don’t like is that the rules are being changed to hurt USC.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It happens...

I don’t think these are directed specifically at USC, unless you have more than just the schedule thing.

Although, it’s not like the SEC won’t stoop to such a level, as Georgia fans saw when they outlawed the no-huddle after Richt arrived from FSU and used it very effectively.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough on the last part.

But I guess that’s part of my point here. UGA has been screwed by the SEC before, and I’m sure it pissed you off when it happened. So surely you can understand our perspective here.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A little pissed, but it happens, and you move on

that’s the perspective I can’t understand. This shit happens, you deal with it and move on. Finding nonexistent boogeymen to blame is a perspective I just won’t agree with.

But as said above, that attitude is all to prevalent among Gamecocks. Woe is me, everyone is keeping us down and that’s why we fail, ignoring the fact that when they get their act together, it works pretty well just like happens with everyone else.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh the schedule is satire...

but the sentiment is real. And recurrent. And whiny.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And as usual, Mr. Sanchez is right.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 9:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Might I suggest another option...

Think about this from our perspective. We’re (1) giving up the traditional placement of a series that is important to us, (2) having to swap a home game against Miss. St. for a road game against LSU (likely preseason number one), and (3) watching Georgia get out of playing a game against ‘Bama. This is a HUGE blow to our chances of winning the East next year, particularly items (2) and (3). While watching UGA win the East this year due to a lax schedule, I’ve maintained continuously that UGA deserves its title, regardless of strength of schedule. The conventional wisdom is that you deal with the hand you’re dealt. However, the thing there is that in the normal course of things, strength of schedule is supposed to swing back your way eventually. What UGA has achieved here is to make sure that the schedule stays on their side again next year, in effect compromising the fairness of schedule fluctuation, and to our detriment.

Before mocking us for feeling “butthurt” over this, it might behoove you to remember that we are, indeed, being screwed here—our response, thus, isn’t entirely unreasonable. Do you disagree with that premise?

At least we’ll have the opportunity to disprove the “USC only plays well against UGA because the game is early in the season” meme, a chance I’ll relish.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are you swapping a Miss. State for LSU?

In the previous 2012 rotation, you would have dropped Auburn and picked up LSU. Likewise, you took an away trip to Miss. State last year, and are due the home leg.

So, simple logic says that Missou is likely to take LSU’s spot on your schedule and you should get your home game against MSU.

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Being screwed is one thing

and the response is unreasonable because the “screwing” as you refer to it, is being done by the SEC. But you lash out at Georgia, with the “Shameful” comment, and “weasiling” in to an SEC title.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the anger is in large part directed at the SEC, as should have been clear from my original post.

That said, do you really think that UGA didn’t push hard for this? McGarity is known for this kind of thing. UGA is undoubtedly partially to blame here.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I really think UGA didn't push for "this" meaning dropping South Carolina to a later date

why would he? Especially if as you say, the late season swoons are a myth from simply facing better opponents late.

Everyone had to change their schedules around. No one liked it, and no one was going to be happy with the answer that come out for one reason or the other. If you think we have some sway in the SEC office to make our schedule how we want it and screw all others, then you haven’t been paying attention.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it won't

just like everyone else, we still have to win the games we play. Easy schedules haven’t always led to SEC C game appearances in the past. To repeat this phrase again, you have to take care of your own business. Plain and simple. Don’t worry about all the others, that’s their business and none of your control. The best teams take care of themselves and don’t give a damn what the others are doing.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You're now treading treacherously near the line of absurdity

when you say it’s none of our business if the schedules are being created in a way that is favorable to a division rival but unfair to us. Competition requires a baseline of fundamental fairness … or, to use the old cliche, a level playing field. A level playing field is most certainly “our business”.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.
Competition requires a baseline of fundamental fairness

This is precisely what’s at stake here—the integrity of competition.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mind your own damn business, GM

your betters have spoken and they say it ain’t none of your beeswax if they get a better deal. Like Oliver Twist, you should never ask for more.

I’m waiting for TKK to wade in and quoth Matthew 20:1-16 at us. Grins.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"better deal"?

How so? And please compare league wide.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

We all still play 8 SEC games?

12 total, and the chance to compete against those teams? The competition is on the field. Same as always.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If we had this kind of clout

Don’t you think we would have expended it on getting a bye week to match one of the 20 straight times in which Florida had a bye week before the cocktail party?

McGarity has been directly quoted as saying he doesn’t care whether we play you in September — or March.

Frankly, I don’t get why the timing is such a big deal to you guys. If, as you claim, the whole “SC fades down the stretch” rep is a canard, then what have you got to lose by playing us later in the season? It’s a football game, not Christmas. It’s ok to play the thing at different times of the year.

For the record, this entire thread would be moot if you were capable of mustering more than 13 points with Lattimore against a Ted Roof-coached defense.

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by aproposdenada on Dec 23, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Our conference schedule was...

the exact same as yours, except we played Ole Miss rather than Arkansas. The Arkansas team who lost to LSU by a score nearly identical to the one we lost by. That’s not exactly a huge advantage.

South Carolina didn’t make the SEC championship because they laid an egg against a bad Auburn team who we beat by 38.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also if I were convinced the league was...

screwing my school, my response would be to ask my administration how they let that happen.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's a bit naive, Macon

some schools carry more weight in Birmingham than others.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I realize that.

But it’s nice to hear you folks acknowledge it.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Whatever floats yer boat Macon

is fine with me. You’re arguing out of both side of your mouth, though. You do realize that right?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Incorrect.

It’s totally consistent for you to acknowledge that USC is still the new kid on the block yet not accept that as an excuse from Heyman et al. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously

McGarrity carries more weight in Birmingham than Hyman. No one can deny that with a straight face.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Again...

even if true, how does that statement conclude with McGarity deliberately went out of his way to put South Carolina later in the schedule? It doesn’t.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Cui bono?

It’s mo also a bit more than just placement of UGA-USC.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, the theory that Georgia will get special treatment by dropping Bama

while everyone else keeps their tougher of two possible? Yeah, forgive me if I Maurice Jones Drew that theory.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, not our problem.

Don’t like it? Change it. Bring in some “Senior Asst. AD’s” with ties to Birmingham. That’s just off the top of my head.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's a cynical take

I’ve said before that we can beat UGA on the field, but we can’t beat the UGA media/admin machine.

I find it amusing when Dawgs whine that they don’t have the clout of Bama, then sneer at USC fans when we say we don’t have the clout of Georgia.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Precisely. I'm not sure I see the motivation for the animosity here...

since we do, apparently, share some common ground on this issue.

The point is that none of this crap should happen to anyone in the league, which should be seeking to create an environment in which titles are won on the field, not in the admin offices.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, I think everyone still has to play the games.

I don’t think anyone believes Georgia winning the SEC East is a fait accompli.

And to be clear, most Georgia fans don’t have any animosity toward Gamecock fans personally. But the “Wah! The SEC is persecuting us!” bit is just lame.

Give the ball to Lattimore, hope Garcia didn’t leave Shaw his little black book, and go win football games. That’ll make it a moot

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But PAAWWWWWLLLLL, it's a conspiracy damn it, where's my tinfoil hat?
Give the ball to Lattimore, hope Garcia didn’t leave Shaw his little black book, and go win football games.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It was funny when vineyard said it

but you’re just trying to change the subject, now.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And you have reading comprehension problems then

because that’s the subject I’ve been on all along. Just like every other team in the SEC, shut up and win your games. Do that, and you’ll play in Atlanta in early December, instead of late December.

As an old coach told me, you can make excuses for why you won, or make excuses for why you lost. In the end, no one cares about your excuses. They only care whether you got the job done.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are...

100 yards long, 10 yard end zones, 53.3 yards wide. Unless you’re lobbying to join Canadian Football.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sneering because some Gamecock fans...

believe they have no clout. I do find it interesting that some of them use that as a crutch. And it’s a pretty cynical world out there in my experience. Might as well do the best you can on it rather than whining about how unfair it is.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In other words, all pigs are equal

but some are more equal than others, right? That is the way things are, correct?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Careful before you overheat your hyperbole machine.

Seriously?

Let me distill my position to its most basic form: Georgia isn’t in a position to “rig” the schedule. But if Greg McGarity is in a position to influence things, he should. Your AD should too. Participating in conference affairs is among the duties they’re paid for.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So McGarity says

I didn’t rig anything. And you say UGA is not in a position to use influence when we all know that is hogwash. But you agree that if McGarity could influence things, he should.

That is the textbook definition of arguing out of both side of your mouth.

Again, Cui Bono? UGA.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, there's a difference...

between rigging the schefule and standing up for your school. Im sorry you once again don’t get this distinction.

And you’re pretty enamored with the Cui Bono line. I’m glad you enjoyed The Departed so much.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not a line

when you can’t answer it.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Oliver Stone called. He wants his schtick back. The answer is “a bunch of university administrators, media executives, coaches, and fans of college football.” Any other answer just makes you look like a whiner or a crackpot conspiracy theorist who thinks Paul Finebaum takes his calls because you’re really friends. There is no second shooter, my friend.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And this has really been a fun discussion by the way.

Feel free to come over to Dawg Sports any time.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You too Macon

I wish I had the juice to stay up and keep debating with you, but as I alluded to earlier, I released the Kraken too early. Have a good one. Peace out.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You beat UGA on the field and lost to Auburn tryptic67.

You have to win more than just 1 win, m k?

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by tankertoad on Dec 23, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It's nice to hear us acknowledge that the SEC is an intrinsically unfair institution?

Thanks for proving the original point of Gwinnett’s post, that UGA wants to parley its clout to create an unfairly advantageous situation for itself.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 22, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you may mean ...

“Acknowledging that out administration was some cbimation of outgunned, outmanned or outfoxed.” As Sanchez pointed out, Georgia’s not Alabama or Tennessee. Remember the SEC trying to help the Tide out last year when all those schools had byes before playing them? I assure you neither of us would get the same assistance.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And I hate to break it to you...

but Georgia ain’t the big boy in those discussions. South Carolina may be near the bottom of the totem pole, for several reasons, but Georgia damn sure ain’t near the top.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You're being too modest

Y’all make the most money.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we don't

we are not the biggest revenue producer for the SEC. And we are not the one with the biggest cock when everyone in the SEC whips it out for measurements.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I can start linking articles to the contary if you want to go down that road

Here is one from the Huffington Post (sheesh it pains me to to link to that site, but I’ll sacrifice myself if I must). Is this article wrong?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I assure you, the conference office doesn't care about those numbers...

because the league never sees that money. They care about getting teams to the title game, getting a second team in the BCS, and juicing the TV dollars. Roy Kramer and the old boys don’t care how much sweatshirt money we generate.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Profitable =/= revenue produced

that takes in to account spending, particularly when we had an AD so cheap he made his coach give the assistants pay raises instead of himself.

That article also focuses on the individual ADs revenues and profits and has absolutely nothing in regards to how much these programs bring in to the SEC office. If I had to guess, I’d put Florida, thanks to size and all around athletics at the top. The state of Georgia may bring in the most revenue, but that would be because of the SEC crazy state that has plenty of alums from every SEC school instead of just 1 or 2 like every other state in the conference.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The SEC is pretty close-lipped about where the money comes from

but I don’t see how you can deny that the school that makes the most money in the biggest-revenue sport has only middlin clout with the front office.

You may not have Bama’s chops, but if we did a league-wide “power ranking of clout” you’re certain to be in the top 3. Do you deny that? Honestly?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we don't make the most money?

Or perhaps you don’t understand the difference between profit (aka minus expenses, which our former AD had as bare bones as possible to enhance profits) and what you call revenue, which is gross and does not subtract expenses, and of which Georgia is not the most, nor second most.

And yes, I deny we’d be in the top 3. Honestly. Because it’s pretty obvious and has been for a long time.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Also very true.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You guys are channeling Coach Dooley

you’re doing an admirable job with the poor mouthing, but it is really misplaced in this discussion.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

and in that vein we’re discussing that UGA has a big enough (monetary) unit to get what it wants … and that the rumors from Birmingham seem favorable to UGA … and that y’all are poor-mouthing that you really don’t have the clout that we all know you do. Capisci?

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, we get the schedules we want from the SEC

that’s why Spurrier had the bye before the Cocktail Party throughout the 90s, and not Georgia.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point fails

since the UF bye is gone. It’s cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, that change came before McGarity

he was on the Florida side of things when the byes began to even out in that series around 2005.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that point is regarding our influence over schedule...

and how someone for South Carolina has clearly had more pull than Georgia ever did.

And also laughing at this ideal you have that Georgia influences the SEC’s scheduling. Because it doesn’t, and never has, and history has proven so time and time again.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not willing to accept you as an authority on UGA's lack of influence. nor that UGA boogeyman SOS somehow wields Dumbledore-like powers from Columbia

but I’ve enjoyed the debate so I’ll bid you fond adieu

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And you've been so persuasive arguing about how influential UGA is on scheduling...

let’s see, we’ve got this game being moved. More rumors about schedules. And then of course, the individual athletic departments profitability of which the SEC couldn’t give two spits about so long as we all make money.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Kentucky?

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We played Ole Miss when they still...

had something to play for. By the time Kentucky got them Nutt was a dead weasel walking. Big difference. But I see your point.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL.

Really? I’m fine with the “You play the games on your schedule” argument, but don’t espouse the virtues of playing Ole Miss this season.

by Uhaul on Dec 22, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ole Miss girls *are* hot
There's got to be some virtue in that we can all agree on. Heh.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for finding common ground here.

You’ll get no argument from me.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

GM - Win them all. Then nobody says shit. It's that simple.

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by tankertoad on Dec 23, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

And you didn't do that, so we're allowed to talk.

Especially on our own blog. Most of our regulars understand that there are different behavior expectations in your own house than as a guest. Can’t say the same for many of our recent guests.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 23, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I did say a curse word, but I have been perfectly civil.

And I am quite aware we didnt win them all, and we didn’t get rings.

And, I am quite aware of house rules and being a guest. Man, do y’all ever look at profiles and history?

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by tankertoad on Dec 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, it's not our fault we caught the good part of the schedule when we did.

The fact that the normal SEC West rotation scheme brought Alabama and Auburn onto your schedule in years when they won national championships does not mean that the SEC office hates you. It just means that those teams happened to fall onto your schedule when they were good. Now you and others are complaining because our 2012 Alabama game is likely to be replace with Missouri.

What are you complaining about, though? The 2012 schedule would have likely brought LSU onto your schedule, just as it would have brought Alabama onto ours. Because we have to add Missou and remove a West team, however, you’re likely to get a home game against Mississippi State and not have an away game at LSU.

This isn’t preferential treatment… it’s just the vagaries of the normal schedule rotation that has to be adapted for the 2012 season.

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

This assumes we wouldn't lose Ole Miss instead of Alabama

which would seem naive. You’d almost have to do it uniformly one way or the other or else you screw up schedules and can’t fix.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure.

But that’s a big “if.”

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by vineyarddawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If Georgia backed into the East

than Auburn was supposed to beat South Carolina. Sorry, but we played a common opponent from the West, and even though y’all should have beat them as badly as we did, you didn’t.

by marktheshark on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

That argument works on other sites

but it’s not very compelling here. UGA played no game further west than Oxford, and no further east than Jacksonville. USC is the first team to play three SEC road games in a row. UGA had every major game at home (other than the WLOCP). Every non conference game you played was in the state of Georgia. Every SEC game you played was either at Sanford or within an easy drive from Athens.

This is a lot bigger than whether USC dropped a game to Auburn. I don’t begrudge your very, very favorable schedule, not do I take away from your divisional championship (I leave it y’all to keep in mind that one team ran the division, and it wasn’t you) but comity and equity demanded that it get a bit more difficult for y’all in 2012.

And that is decidedly not how it is shaping up to be.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

So where did you guys play west of Oxford? Starkville?

Now you’re just splitting hairs. You lost to Auburn. That’s the answer. When you have to start citing mapquest in your argument, you’re reaching.

Also you had a bye after the first game of that three game swing. Which of course included the murderer’s row of 5-7 Tennessee and 6-6 Auburn. That’s not exactly a gauntlet.

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cough, cough ... Fayetteville

checking my geographic lexicon of the south. We appreciate the bye bone we were given before we became the first SEC team in the brave history of the league to be forced to play three road games. Should we write a thank you note to McGarity for that, too (Ok that last bit was just a joke).

If you don’t think your home-based schedule helped you in 2011, then I’m amazed you can even see out of your Red and Black colored glasses, Macon,

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that's pretty much all of it
This is a lot bigger than whether USC dropped a game to Auburn

Don’t lose to Auburn, and the Gamecocks are back in Atlanta, getting waxed by the SEC West. It’s really that simple. But I guess we lobbied the league office to let Auburn beat SC, before rolling over against Georgia. The Free Masons, the TriLateral Commission, and Greg McGarity, ruling the world one schedule at a time.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, nope, nope

this discussion is about 2012, not 2011. And I am a Free Mason and I cannot remember us agreeing to let UGA get a better deal in 2012. Maybe it’s the damn Georgia masons.

Night, Sanchez.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That's funny given your exegesis...

above on how hard you had it in 2011, complete with map coordinates. I think you eloquently refer to this as “talking out of both sides of your mouth.”

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by MaconDawg on Dec 22, 2011 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Heh

it’s about 2012 with the references to 2011 that I pick. Not you. Grins. Enjoyed it and see you and Mr. Sanchez around the block. Gotta get my beauty sleep so I can seek out brave new links for tomorrow’s Daily Feed.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're giving up and forfeiting to Georgia?

Since we have such an easy schedule and everyone is out to get you. I’m sure Spurrier, Lattimore, Clowney, etc will be ever so pissed they have already lost the SEC next year, and shouldn’t even try. It’s decided by the schedules!

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't know I needed to bring a different standard of logic to the site.

But now that I know, I will rephrase my argument:

(very slowly) we beat Auburn. you didn’t.

I see elsewhere that you say that the discussion is about 2012, not 2011. I was commenting on GG’s assertion that we backed into the East this year. More accurately, you backed out. Does that argument fly around here?

by marktheshark on Dec 23, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You place more emphasis on the common opponent than the fact we beat you at your house. Which is your right.

But don’t come barking about a “different standard of logic” when the discussion is about whether UGA has obtained preferential treatment to obtain back to back easy schedules. No one is worried about your division championship or your humiliating, blow-out loss to LSU last year. Again – the discussion is about what will come next year. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

Since you’re a self proclaimed logic expert, you can fix your own cum ergo hoc propter hoc fallacy.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 23, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Again

and I’ll say it slowly so that you can follow.

I was commenting on GG’s assertion that we backed into the East this year. More accurately, you backed out.

I don’t recall ever entering into a conversation about any preferential treatment. I’d be happy to apologize if you can prove me wrong. Or perhaps you’re confusing me with MaconDawg or others with whom you have had that debate. So when you accuse me of not having a compelling enough argument for you, at least understand what it is I am arguing rather than confusing my statements with those of others or ones you may like me to have… which I don’t.

by marktheshark on Dec 23, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You did have an easier west schedule

which was the how GG described the “backing into the East” championship, which really isn’t up for debate, but you are correct that you limited your comments just to that one topic. I actually agree with GM, however, that it doesn’t matter who had the easier schedule last year. I do agree with GM and GG that we have a right to be a bit po’d that it appears the 2012 schedule has been altered to favor UGA when it should have evened out. Consequently, 2012 is different than 2011 – which has been the whole point of this back-and-forth.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 23, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a supreme example of being a crybaby.

Stop worrying so much about UGA.

You want an NC? Guess what, you got a schedule that if you win, you will go to the Rose Bowl. No one is going to question your SoS. This is what you have wanted. A chance. You got it. Man the hell up. Your focus is all on UGA, when your focus should be on doing what you got to do.

The flip side? UGA loses any games next year we will plumet in the polls. So, the knife cuts both ways.

Grow a pair. A few years back we went west coast played Bama and LSU and Arky in various combos, and UGA didnt whine. We lost to UF in 2008 and shot our chance at a NC to hell. We didnt bemoan scheduling. We said “We lost to UF, again, it’s our damn fault”

Seriously, put on your big boy pants. SC has a schedule that can give you glory.

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by tankertoad on Dec 23, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Toad

go away, This is a discussion for grown-ups, not name-callers. You are a name-caller. And your skin is dangerously thin.

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by tryptic67 on Dec 23, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I can very much say the same thing.

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by tankertoad on Dec 24, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct, ours was easier, but that's not the reason we won the East

we won the East because South Carolina lost to Auburn. Win that game, and win the East. It’s that simple. And there’s no way of knowing we wouldn’t have beaten Arkansas, which SC failed to do. But that doesn’t stop people from crying.

Nor does the insane theory that we somehow pulled rank (which we don’t have) to get out of Bama.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 24, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

We went 5-0 against the East. You went 4-1, losing to us in your own stadium.

You narrowly defeated Tennessee when the Vols lost their starting QB.
You narrowly defeated Florida when the Gators were missing their best RB and kicker, and had a very limited QB.
You narrowly averted disaster against Vanderbilt when the Commodores were the Commodores.
You needed multiple turnovers to squeak by Kentucky at home.
We had a greater MOV against every East opponent.

By any objective standard, your East championship can be labeled as one that you backed into.

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 23, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, because record against the East decides the East?

that would be news to any team playing in the SEC. So by any objective standard, the team with the BEST SEC RECORD wins the East. Beat Auburn, and South Carolina wins the east. They couldn’t win the games in front of them, but has fans wanting to cry foul, because they couldn’t take care of their own business? How does that logic work?

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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 24, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I might be in the minority

but I don’t really give a rat’s ass when we play UGA. Next year that game will be a toss up, but winnable game at any point in the season.

So we get LSU? So what? If we wanna be the big boys, we gotta beat the big boys. I’m all for taking on brutal schedules, personally. Zero losses is what we should be shooting for every season, and even 1 loss can get us to the BCSCG. I think this is within reach fairly soon.

I think schedules even out in the end and so I don’t give a frak. Let’s play the games!

Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.

by walknbalk on Dec 23, 2011 3:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Amen Walknbalk, line em up & knock em down! Wanna b a big boy, gotta beat em!

by TigerFan7474 on Dec 24, 2011 2:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm all for playing the best teams in the West.

It’s not like we had any competition in the East this year.

In fact, I believe we are 9-1 against all the SEC East teams over the past 2 season. Lone loss being that disaster at Kentucky.

by BrisketBiscuit on Dec 23, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Ironic Complex of UGA Posters here

When I read the schedule after the jump, I erupted in laughter because it pokes fun at both fanbases (UGA & USC).

However, I find it humorous that UGA posters have rushed in here to defend their schedule this year and any schedule they receive next year. Seems like an insecurity they have harbored all season.

by Spurriersvisor on Dec 23, 2011 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

You have the insecurity backwards.

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by tankertoad on Dec 23, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so sure about that

If you don’t believe me, go look up “denial” in Webster’s Dictionary.

by Spurriersvisor on Dec 23, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This is funny

I’m not gonna get bent out of shape about it. If the schedule breaks one way, we can complain about sakerlina being paranoid and whiny. If it breaks the other way, we have an easier path to the ATL. Its win-win for me.

But I really think you guys are getting too bent out of shape about this whole thing. On both sides.

by Mark Mandingo on Dec 23, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

This has probably been already said but...

….The fact is, the SEC is the toughest conference, all the schools are perpetually jockeying for position, and every program gets screwed in some manner on a regular basis (except alabama). USC just needs to win some big games, be happy they have a talented bunch coming back next year, and that they don’t have to play the Ole Miss schedule.

by unfairweather57 on Dec 23, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Gwinnett, Georgia Didn't Back In

To the SEC East title any more than South Carolina backed in to a higher score in their game with Georgia.

by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 23, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'll have to admit that I don't buy the "Georgia backed in" argument.

But that’s partially because the schedule is supposed to swing towards other teams eventually. The problem with what’s happening to the 2012 schedule is that Georgia is getting more than its share of easy schedules.

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by Gamecock Man on Dec 23, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Now Gamecock, You That Won't Hold Water

You’re cherry picking a block of years. What goes around comes around.

by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 23, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We went 5-0 against the East. You went 4-1, losing to us in your own stadium.

You narrowly defeated Tennessee when the Vols lost their starting QB.
You narrowly defeated Florida when the Gators were missing their best RB and kicker, and had a very limited QB.
You narrowly averted disaster against Vanderbilt when the Commodores were the Commodores.
You narrowly defeated Kentucky at home on the back of five turnovers from the worst UK team in a decade.
We had a greater MOV against every East opponent.

By any objective standard, your 2011 East championship can be labeled as one that you backed into.

Herschel Walker blahblahblah

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by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 23, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

How Can I Argue With Such Impeccable Logic

You’re an angry man Gwinnett. You said that stuff already.

by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 24, 2011 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m a Clemson fan, who until the last 3 yrs, have listened to them whine about their tough SEC sched is what softened them up for Clemson every yr. Now that they’ve owned us last 3 yrs their “sched whining” had to get directed toward someone! Just keep winning vs the weak East(presently) & dont lose at home to terrible Auburn. If Ga backed into it, yall gave it to em w/ that loss.

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