SEC Schedules.
by sandstormwarning on Dec 28, 2011 11:05 AM EST
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PrintIn case you haven't seen them yet HERE are next years SEC schedules.
USC has;
Aug. 30: at Vanderbilt
Sept. 22: MISSOURI
Sept. 29: at Kentucky
Oct. 6: GEORGIA
Oct. 13: at LSU
Oct. 20: at Florida
Oct. 27: TENNESSEE
Nov. 10: ARKANSAS
Pun semi-intended, the Cocks got screwed. As I saw some UGA fan point out, someone had to get screwed, but I don't think it had to be this bad. Here are the various ways that the league office "tweaked" our schedule.
- We now start out the year playing @ Vanderbilt. This program is looking up and a the Dores will be playing hard to make some noise in the East with a Thursday night game in Nashville. Lets just not have a repeat of the ECU game this year.
- Georgia game got moved all the way back to October 6th.
- We kept our game @ LSU and UGA dropped their game with Bama.
- We play UGA, @ LSU, @ FL, UT, and Arkansas in our last five SEC games, the first four of those consecutively. While FL is down, the Swamp is always a tough venue, and Arkansas will still be lighting up scoreboards next year.
So what can we do about it? Win anyway. Show UGGA that we don't beat them just because we play early in the year, as some of their fans like to claim. Take this opportunity to show what could very well be a #1 ranked LSU team what we are made of. That'll be a night game in Baton Rogue, no better place to put on a show. Oh, and we need to win the first BATTLE OF THE COLUMBIAS, as I am sure the annual game with Mizzou will come to be known. I'm not sure if posting on a blog counts as official copyrighting a slogan, but if it does I'm willing to license that one.
Anyhow, to sum it up, the Cocks got screwed, but you have to look at it as a chance to show the SEC and the country that Gamecock football is here to stay.
Go Cocks.
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Lets not have a repeat of the ECU game against ECU this year either.
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by sandstormwarning on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions
Maybe I'm a masochist but I would take an early 17 deficit if it ultimately meant a 20 point win!
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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Dec 28, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Forget the ECU game. Let's not have a repeat of that Thursday night game in Nashville from a few years back.
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by Gamecock Man on Dec 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Don't spend to much time worrying about ECU.
Breaking in a new very inexperienced QB, losing top WR and some other depth WRs, losing 2 starters in the defensive backfield, punter will be gone, kicker may get another year, and a bunch of experienced depth.
We gonna be a mess early on.
And lucky enough for the Gamecocks that game is September 8th.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Mostly I meant with Vandy the 17 point deficit wouldn’t be as easy to overcome as it was against the Pirates.
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by sandstormwarning on Dec 28, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions
As much as we got screwed here, I'll have to admit that having the middle-packed schedule is intriguing.
If we can get past Vandy, we’ll have some time to get our feet under us before October, and if we can survive October, we’ll have time to rest and heal before Clemson and a potential SECCG.
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Clemsux is the beneficiary of this also
they play in the weak sister conference and when we arrive in pickens we could be beat up beyond repair. Hopefully the recruiting will add depfh and this will not be a problem, but you are right on, we got screwed without a kiss or vaseline.
(Cocks got screwed)
They can’t lick our ’Cocks. By the end of next season, I have faith that the rest of the SEC will be looking up in awe at our Gamephalluses.
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Good One
and have a feeling you might be correct depending upon how the defense overcomes the losses of some key players, number 6 included. Check out espn analysis of the patsy schedule for uga. Unbelievable.
by wilmywoodcock on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody call the whambulance for the Cock fans
I haven’t posted over here during all the teeth gnashing lately. Also, I like to consider myself one of the more reasonable UGA posters over here, but the schedule whining is just getting a bit ridiculous. I don’t remember any of you complaining about how difficult our ’08 and ’09 schedules were when the Cocks were an afterthought in the East race. Funny how this only matters now that Carolina actually has the chance to contend.
I’d also argue that Auburn has been a more difficult opponent than Arkansas since the split in ’92. Arkansas has only been a real threat the last couple of years. All in all, this stuff evens out. Lest we forget that until 2007, the East was considered the toughest division in the toughest conference.
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count me as one Carolina fan who doesn't much care one way or another.
But if I had to choose, I prefer tough schedules. Gotta beat the best to be the best, imo. If Carolina ends up not stacking up very well against the best, then at least we know where we stand.
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I can't disagree with you
I just think this idea that Georgia somehow is getting off easy is ignoring the past. It’s easy to gnash teeth right now, but in reality this stuff is quite cyclical. We had ridonkulous schedules in 2008 and 2009 and are getting off light in 2011 and 2012. in the end, it all evens out.
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Nobody says its not cyclical
and of course UGA has had brutal schedules in the past. That doesn’t change the fact that UGA is getting off easy in ’11 and ’12. No need to qualify that fact by invoking the past.
Still, no moaning and groaning for me whatsoever. I tend to be a bit sadistic when it comes to challenges. Truth is ( and I’m sure you’ll disagree with me on this one), when I look at USCs SEC schedule, I see 7-1, the 1 being to LSU. I really do think Carolina will figure out a way to beat ARK next year. I also see the Dawgs going 7-1.
So if the Dawgs beat SC, you are home free. That would put SC at the prospect of losing 2 in a row and possibly a 3rd loss to ARK. But if SC wins that game, then most likely it will come down to that ARK game at home. It should be a really fun and interesting season, one in which I hope USC is done laying wet farts like the Auburn game.
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the other ignorant part about it is the crystal ball waving of how next year will be easy
the beauty of college athletics is the constant change. Every team loses numerous key contributors as seniors graduate or underclassman move on. Every team has the chance to add key contributors in recruits. Every team has growth and decline internally, as some kids bust their butts all summer and get better, get smarter, get bigger, stronger faster, while others learn to love alcohol too much, drugs too much, women too much, or forget the college part of playing college athletics. To say you know how hard everyone’s schedule will be next year takes Nostradamus like foresight, or more likely, the desire to run off with verbal diarhea.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah... speaking of ignorant statements and verbal diarrhea
Obviously (or maybe not so obviously to some) we both play very similar schedules next year. We face each of the other 6 teams in the east. Our four non-conference games are ECU, UAB, Wofford, and Clemson. UGA’s non-conference foes are Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech. Pretty similar teams.
The only scheduling differences we are talking about here are the West opponents each team faces. Georgia plays Ole Miss and Auburn while USC has LSU and Arkansas. I find it highly unlikely that Ole Miss will rise to the level of Arkansas and Auburn will rise to the level of LSU by next year based on how hard their players do or don’t work out or how they behave over the summer. This is only likely to reduce how good Auburn will be what with the whole Michael Dyer thing – no one knows how that is going to turn out.
There is a difference between next year being “easy” for UGA and it being “easier” than what USC faces. No team in the SEC will ever have an “easy” year.
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by sandstormwarning on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Permanent opponents
While it’s true that Arkansas should be better (maybe much better) than Auburn next year, we’ve known for a while that this year’s schedule would maintain traditional inter-divisional rivalries. Arkansas’s improvement stands to hurt South Carolina every year (or help USC’s schedule, if we speak in those terms), while Auburn’s struggles help UGA. Cyclical changes to the quality of permanent opponents is baked into the schedules, just like the relative declines of Florida and Tennessee benefit both of our teams.
I will note that Arkansas will likely be wishing it had another permanent East opponent. The Gamecocks’ improvement (which shows no signs of slowing) will likely be a thorn in the side of the Razorbacks, and therefore a boon to the LSUs and Alabamas of the world.
by first and thom on Dec 29, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Highly unlikely doesn't = impossible...
I’d agree that LSU and Arky are probably harder than Ole Miss and Auburn, but a lot can change in the next 9 months.
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While I apppreciate the truth
in what you say, that highly unlikely does not equal 0% chance…but by my back of a used napkin math, there is a greater probability of Earth being struck by an enormous asteroid on 4/28/2012 at 8:36 AM thereby rendering the 2012 season moot, than there is the likelihood that both Ole Miss and Auburn will be better than LSU and ARK in 2012.
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Meh, we're all dying in December 21, 2012 anyway
so no one will get to play for a national championship anyway. Better enjoy this last college football season while we can.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 29, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth.
And rec’d for posting a relevant pic of a Dawg fan. :)
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well played balk
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 30, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
It isn't just who we play
but when we play them. While the getting LSU and UGA not getting Ala is big, its not everything. Its also moving UGA back and Fla forward to make that mid season death stretch. Why is UGA’s only moved game the one they wanted?
by Charlestowne on Dec 30, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Where do people keep getting this "Georgia wanted the game moved" meme?
because it’s not true, and the people involved from Georgia have said exactly the opposite. Let’s consider a couple things here.
1) The 2013 schedule will start from scratch as they have said. So this year is a one off schedule, and will not be permanent.
2) Marcus Lattimore will be back. If Georgia plays South Carolina early, there’s a chance he’s still working out some soreness, and a little rust from time off. Get him in November, and he’s probably worn out from a tough schedule and an off season focused on rehab instead of normal S&C. Getting to face him in early October is probably the absolute worst time to face him.
3) Same with Ward. Early on, he’s still feeling out the job, his calls, his D. Get him in October, and he’s past the learning phase on the job and hitting his stride.
So that South Carolina game being where it is would actually be worse for Georgia than having it early on. Same if we flipped Missouri in to that spot. Instead of later, when the shine of “new SEC” has worn off, and they’ve had a few SEC opponents beating their haven’t seen a good D in decades thanks to the Big 12 offense up, we get them right out the chutes, when the atmosphere should be big and the team as hyped as possible, and wanting to prove they belong.
So those two games are in the worst possible position, and especially considering the one-off nature of next year’s schedules, would ideally be flipped if Georgia was “getting what they wanted” for the easiest schedule possible. But don’t let reality stop the narrative. “Georgia is a bunch of whiners who pulled rank to get the easiest schedule possible, guaranteeing they win the East”.
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It's hard not to be a "tough schedule" for any SEC team
especially Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida who tack a solid game against an ACC squad to end their seasons.
But yeah, it all comes down to winning games. You either do or you don’t. That’s the right perspective. Keep improving facilities, keep a lock on 5-8 of the Palmetto State’s top 10 prospects every year,keep a strong coaching staff, and things will take care of themselves.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta agree with both of y'all
I don’t think you can argue against the fact that Georgia got some kind of lucky draw dropping Bama while we have to pick up LSU. I’m saddened that the traditional time slot for our game got moved back, but I don’t really care when we play UGA. All that aside, we have always had a tough schedule. A lot of people think our success the last couple years has been because the perennial powers in the East have been down. I believe that is definitely a part of that, but I also believe it has to do with the fact that we have kept the top talent here, added more depth, and have changed the mindset in the program. This is probably the best time to have a tough schedule again because we get to prove that these last two years weren’t flukes. I think a lot of our fans may complain because we are used to being a middle of the pack team. The truth is, we’re not.. we’ve elevated ourselves and playing a grinding SEC schedule comes with it. We’ve made many strides, but if we want to make that last turn into being an elite program, we have to beat the best a majority of the time, any place any where. So lets embrace and get excited for the next years schedule, because if we can duplicate this year’s success again, it means we have officially arrived as a legit year in, year out contender, and that is much more than we could say a few years ago…. GO COCKS!
by heymanne on Dec 28, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ESPN Analysts
Don’t share your viewpoint. You have an easy schedule, period. Congratulations. We will beat you again next year.
by wilmywoodcock on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
You mean the same company
That employed Craig James? Yeah, I quiver in my boots at the analysis of ESPN.
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Anyone who disagrees
with you is irrelevant? Go to the espn site, Ashcraft, Belloti and Lunginbill all think your schedule is a joke, which it is. Again, we will beat you next year. We are better than you, period even if our schedule is more difficult and may end up losing more games, just like this year. Go MSU.
by wilmywoodcock on Dec 29, 2011 7:05 AM EST up reply actions
"We will beat you again next year"
That’s the rub. A promise about an uncertain future event isn’t an argument. The winner of our game in Columbia will have the inside track. It should be a great game.
UGA has the easier schedule, and it will be easier for USC to lose more conference games than UGA does. Granted. But the winner of our game still gets a two-game lead in the division over the loser, and any scheduling issues affected only one game.
by first and thom on Dec 29, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Wilmy
What is it you’re asking your wood cock to do? Willmy wood cock do this? Willmy wood cock do that?
by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
You confirm my notion that you are a complete clown.
by wilmywoodcock on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody Who's So Certain About Future Events
Invites ridicule. Bear in mind that Georgia isn’t standing still either. After the game next year, I’ll either be hounding you mercilessly or asking you to pick stocks for me.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 30, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yawn
We will beat you AGAIN next year. Why do you visit our blog, do you have nothing better to do? Go back to trolling the numerous other blogs you belong to loser. Any further posts from you will be ignored.
USC 45 uga 42, live with that until October 6 2012, moving the date will not help.
by wilmywoodcock on Dec 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah You Said That
3 or 4 times I believe. Nice chattin with you.
by Hogbody Spradlin on Dec 30, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
We have to play at South Carolina.
Shouldn’t that alone disqualify our schedule as being considered “easy”? Or are you saying that playing the Gamecocks on the road is an easy game as well?
For instance, walknbalk predicts the Gamecocks will only have one loss next year. That means our South Carolina game and your LSU game should pretty much cancel each other out (LSU probably being the better of the two, but both teams being significantly better than Georgia). Then you can probably compare your Georgia game and our Auburn game to cancel each other out. So we’re left with your Arkansas game vs. our Ole Miss game. Yeah, advantage UGA, but it is a single freaking game compared to 11 highly comparable games.
That is, unless the Gamecocks aren’t great enough to be a guaranteed loss for Georgia and are more closely-matched with Georgia than they are with LSU and Alabama. You don’t believe that, do you?
by FisheriesDawg on Dec 29, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I did ‘predict’ 7-1 in the SEC, but that prediction is a best case scenario in which USC beats the teams they should beat and avoids key injuries, etc etc. I see very little chance of beating LSU in any scenario. I also said that there is a real possibility USC goes 5-3.
I do believe USC should be the winner of the UGA game, given that it is in Columbia and given the players that are returning, etc. That said, obviously the two teams historically play each other very competitively and is more of a tossup game. But, I think USC should be slightly favored playing at home.
Arkansas is also a winnable game, but it is a tougher game for USC than UGA, even though it is at home, given the complete inability to play competitively with them the last few years. That said, if the offense continues to grow under Connor Shaw, it is a ball controlling, effective offense, and one which could neutralize some of Arkansas’ scoring opportunities. All in all, I see one sure loss, one tossup game, and one winnable game in which USC will not be favored.
So best case 7-1, moderate 6-2, worst 5-3. While UGA, on paper, should have a worst case of 7-1, and possibly 8-0 if things break your way in Columbia. Yes, I know it is too difficult to predict future events and circumstances. That’s why predictions are what they, an ‘all things being equal’ type of calculation.
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I think this is about right.
UGA and USC are toss-ups on each others’ schedules today. The problem is that USC has to play Arkansas (call it a toss-up today) and LSU (a probable loss for any team not named Alabama). Given the tougher schedule, a UGA win in Columbia for would be incredibly difficult for USC to overcome, whereas a USC win would leave the door open for UGA.
We both better keep our eyes on Vandy. I have this nasty feeling that Vandy’s gonna shiv somebody this season.
by first and thom on Dec 29, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
True.
And we also get Vandy in SEC game no. 1. All I can say is USC better be prepared to do some thumping because Vandy wll be all jacked to open up their season at home with an upset over a ranked division rival.
Vandy actually has hopes of going 6-2 in the SEC with probable losses to GA and SC. But SC has historically had a lot more trouble with Vandy than GA has, and that is a scary opener for me.
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I'll take Vandy to open before I'd take Missouri...
and the later date probably hurts Georgia in the border bash. It gives Lattimore more time to knock any rust off and get back to 100%, and let’s Ward and his D work out the kinks of getting accustomed to being the shot caller on that end.
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I admit I don’t know that much about Missouri, but I think they will be in for a very rude welcome into the SEC. On paper, y’all should beat em handily. Of course I understand what you’re saying, it is always scary to play a decent team for the first time as anything can happen and there is no familiarity.
On the flipside, there is a ton of familiarity with Vandy, but that can present its own problems. Just like how the Braves always have immense issues with the Nats, lol.
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I can’t call the ARK game a tossup. They will likely be favored (unless SC beats UGA and LSU and is unbeaten going into that game). On top of that, ARK has flat out laid down the spanking on our butts the last few years. I know SS would love nothing more than to jack Petrino up, but we haven’t been able to do it for whatever reasons.
The SC/UGA game is a must win for SC, that’s all there is to it. I just don’t see a 6-2 record on GA’s schedule.
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Understand...
and I think your prediction is quite level-headed.
I was more responding to someone who was virtually guaranteeing a South Carolina win over Georgia next year yet also not giving us credit for a road game against the Gamecocks, a team he appears to be VERY confident in. He just can’t have it both ways.
by FisheriesDawg on Dec 29, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mistake noncomplacency for whining
What would you like for us to do? Erect idols to our amazing schedule. We got screwed, plain and simple. We’ll have to play whomever we’ll have to play, but why should we be handicapped from the beginning. Its just ridiculous.
You reference ‘08 and ’09. Those seasons were part of a regular rotation and are bound to happen to any team. For instance, USC had a tougher schedule than UGA this year, not by much, but it was. We didn’t take care of business against Auburn and you ended up in ATL. No complaints here. The difference here is that it is not part of a rotation that evens out. It is a one year – one time deal where UGA got whatever they wanted at the expense of USC. We’ve already went through this once.
Its not just one aspect of the schedule. UGA got our game moved back and was able to avoid rotating Alabama on the schedule. USC not only loses a home game by not getting a return from MSU, we replaced it with @LSU. We also have the toughest part of the SEC schedule clumped together: UGA, LSU, FLA, Tenn and Ark in a row. We also don’t have any OOC to break up the SEC schedule between Sept. 15 and Nov. 17.
It also doesn’t help that your AD comes out today and brags that you probably won’t get Ala next year either.
In conclusion: Go suck it.
by Charlestowne on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In conclusion
Shouldn’t you be complaining to Eric Hyman that he’s more incompetent at his job than Greg McGarity instead of me?
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In fairness, he's complaining to you because you came on this blog and called for a Whambulance, lol.
You can’t present a plate and not expect to get served.
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That's fair
In the end, I think you guys are making a bigger deal of this than it’s worth. Somebody was bound to get the short end of the stick and it just happened to be you guys.
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Walknbalk is right.
My response was due directly from your post.
As for the "somebody was bound to the the short end’ argument, its just intellectually lazy. Nothing personal towards you, but I’ve seen that argument from other dawg fans and it makes me roll my eyes every time.
by Charlestowne on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Roll your eyes all you want
In the end, it just reeks of sour grapes. You folks act like Georgia is the Illuminati of the SEC or something. I say we got lucky, you folks say we rigged the system. Let’s be real. Alabama runs this conference, not Georgia.
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I don't think that UGA runs the conference.
At the end of the day, no one on a blog knows what went down during the scheduling talks. But rumors come out that the powers that be at UGA were pushing for this a week or a week and a half ago and then it happens and I’m supposed to believe that they’re not connected? C’mon man.
by Charlestowne on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Except those same "powers that be" ...
said “we don’t care about specifics” in scheduling, but we’re all gonna have to break some eggs to cook this omelet (so to speak).
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
How about getting Missouri in their opener, and SC at the worst time possible.
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Which is all I was saying
No where did I say “Who is Mark Richt paying for this” or that it was some conspiracy theory. And if you note the post ended by saying that we have to take this as a challenge and rise up to it. If you don’t want to see what USC fans are saying about our schedule, then don’t read a USC blog. There are plenty of UGA blogs for you to peruse where you can talk about how tough that Ole Miss game is going to be.
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by sandstormwarning on Dec 29, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that Hyman most definitely owes us an explination.
There are plenty of Hyman haters in our ranks, and I am not one of them. However, he needs to explain in what universe he’s OK with this or how he is getting some future concession for the rape we are getting this year.
by Charlestowne on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW
OBC on the schedule: “It is what it is” and “rub of the green”.
http://www.gamecocksonline.com/allaccess/?media=290101
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by skandrewj62j on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Non-Conference
Just to have it all in one place…
Sept. 8: East Carolina
Sept. 15: UAB
Nov. 17: Wofford
Nov. 24: Clemson
You can see UGA’s full schedule HERE
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by sandstormwarning on Dec 29, 2011 10:12 AM EST reply actions
It is what is
Yes the Georgia schedule looks to be more favorable for them. Yes I prefer thier schedule to ours (who would Not). We play in the SEC no year is ever easy. I would rather play a tough schedule and win it that way that have everyone saying we won because of a watered down schedule. We have the coach, players and talent to win in the SEC. It has not historically been that way but we are no longer a joke in the SEC, we can and do compete with everyone we play. I look forward to playing LSU and hopefully beating them. I look forward to playing Georgia and hopefully beating them (Mark Richt is a class act). I hope we can finally beat Arkansas. Good luck to the SEC, we are the elite conference that others wish they could compete in. Go cocks!
by Chucktowngamecock on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
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