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THE DAILY FEED 3.21.11 // More News on Lorenzo Mauldin and Oversigning

Lorenzo Mauldin inks with Louisville, puts S. Carolina oversigning saga behind him | AJC College Sports Recruiting

Chip Towers continues his coverage of the Lorenzo Mauldin situation, which has been part of a general uproar about oversigning over the past couple of months. The situations appears to have resolved itself, hopefully for the best, with Mauldin choosing to take his talents to Louisville, where he'll likely be able to join the team after some time in prep school. I'm not going to add too much to my former statements about oversigning here, other than to say that I hope Steve Spurrier is more circumspect about his management of roster space in the future and that I also hope the SEC establishes more suitable guidelines to provide negative incentives for recklessly oversigning programs. After arguing with various people about this for the last several weeks, what I've come to conclude is that oversigning is a problem that can be solved easily if the SEC follows precedents set by other conferences and that that should be the end of it. I just hope that however they do this, they do it without making it more difficult for kids like Mauldin to sign with SEC schools. One of the ironies of oversigning is that it makes it more likely for SEC programs to take chances on academically marginal kids, and that's perhaps something we should protect so those kids--in particular those who work hard and make the grades--get their chance at big-time college football. What I worry is that many of those who are against oversigning are solely interested in the issue from the standpoint of competitive advantage, and those people need to remember that student-athlete welfare is the important issue here.

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So he signed with Louisville,

and will still have to go to prep. school for a year. That makes sense…

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by The Feathered Warrior on Mar 21, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it is kind of strange.

He was apparently being offered the chance to go a non-qualifier, and he seems to be wisely leaning towards prep school. Like silverblade says, I think he saw the writing on the wall. He has a chance to get playing time at Louisville. I wish him well. Honestly, he seemed a lot more mature about this process than a lot of other folks involved.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 21, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are the Georgians so high-and-mighty now

about CMR’s vaunted integrity now they they got caught simulating a game-experience for Crowell? Sheesh. What a hypocritical crew.

This whole exercise was an attempt to undercut Spurrier and South Carolina. Despite breathless AJC reporting (“but what if he does qualify?”), it turns out Lorenzo didn’t – which was not USC’s fault, but apparently USC is punished for the temerity of recruiting a Georgia kid who doesn’t have his grades.

After sufficiently bad-mouthing Carolina, they’ve gotten him to play for Charlie Strong – Maybe. Who knows. Our track record with placing JUCO’s and Post-Grads is beyond reproach. Who knows what will happen at Louisville. If you’re a Bulldog fan or the AJC (but I repeat myself) it was mission accomplished for Team JawJaw.

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by tryptic67 on Mar 21, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm on board with tightening oversigning restrictions...

But I largely agree with your characterization of some of the Georgia fans’ take on the situation. The problem with this issue is that a lot of people can’t look at it outside of the narrow view of their petty hatred for rival programs and their false delusions of victimization, and it thus becomes nothing more than a pissing contest between rival fans as opposed to a legitimate attempt to talk about how to improve the integrity of the sport. I have no interest in that side of it, as I have little need to take lecturing from fans of the school that hired Jim Harrick. Moreover, too many people who are talking about this issue are using student-athlete welfare as a talking point when their real concern is with competitive advantage. This issue needs to be about improving prospects for kids like Mauldin, not about making it easier for Florida to win more titles.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 21, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its never too early to start hating on Georgia

especially now that St. CMR’s halo is a little tarnished. Awwwwww, Well, if CMR felt he needed to simulate a game day experience for Crowell, or send Pollack to some kid’s signing day festivities), then the good Pups will rally ’round him, right?

I mean he is the class guy of the league, right? And he must have a dadgum good reason to start acting like Lane Kiffen, ain’t that right? After all, it ain’t like a real scandal – like the one where Spurrier gets pillioried up for not breaking any rules at all. I sure am glad that Atlanta boy’s playing for Charlie Strong instead of SOS! Aint life grand to be a Dawg?

Woof. Woof. Woof.

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by tryptic67 on Mar 21, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I'll have to give the GTP Georgia readers credit.

Other than a few extremely vocal exceptions, they’re all pretty nice folks who are able to take a measured view of the issue. I do think, though, that that AJC article was aimed at the kind of Georgia fan you’re talking about.

Also, I think you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that oversigning isn’t against the rules. If I hear oversigning referred to as “cheating” again, I think I’m going to puke. Oversigning is not “cheating,” and while that doesn’t make it right, it does make you wonder about the perspective of Texas_Dawg’s brilliant argument that oversigning is going to be CFB’s version of the MLB steroid’s scandal.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 21, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The two reasons to end oversigning are student welfare and unfair competitive advantage.

The latter is a selfish reason; both are valid. It’s kind of wearying to keep talking about this, even to somebody who’s been pretty reasonable about this like you. This is probably the last time this offseason South Carolina will be at the center of the storm.

I accept the idea that oversigning lets South Carolina (and everyone else) take more chances on letting higher-risk and often poorer athletes into their university, but I reject the idea that oversigning does a social good for those athletes. Getting a degree from a university as prestigious as the University of South Carolina helps a high-risk student athlete in life, but more important than a university’s prestige is actually getting the degree. Oversigning requires attrition, and attrition is harmful to a student earning a degree. There are scholarship opportunities for football at Division 1-A, II and III schools for players who don’t make it into South Carolina, and going there would probably be better for student-athletes with poor high school academics.

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by Semicorrect on Mar 22, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I for the most part buy that argument...

Which is part of the reason that I’m in favor of ending the practice. However, I do think it’s a little more complicated than you’re suggesting. While you’re right that the fact that oversigning requires attrition oftentimes means that oversigned athletes later become victims of roster gutting, which ends up meaning that the supposed opportunity they got to attend a school like South Carolina is negated, it’s also true that they at least get the chance to go to South Carolina under current regulations. If oversigning is more strictly regulated, that won’t happen because, depending on how the new regulations work, coaches won’t take chances on them. The academically at-risk players will end up at the lesser institutions from the beginning. Now, they at least get the chance to go to a USC or an Arkansas first, and then they go to Alabama St., etc., if it doesn’t work out.

I don’t really buy competitive advantage as a major talking point. If the welfare of student athletes isn’t what’s at stake here, then oversigning is just like any other legal means of gaining an advantage over one’s opponents—in other words, not a problem other than for those who aren’t doing it effectively, as everyone—at least within particular conferences—has the opportunity to play by the same rules. I guess you could make the argument that the NCAA needs to establish ground rules between the conferences in order to make national competition more equitable. In that sense, I can see the competitive advantage argument much better from the perspective of the Big 10 than I can from Georgia fans. The problem to me is that oversigning is exploitative; I don’t believe that the gray area you see here and there outweighs the clearly negative impact it’s had on many student athletes, Mauldin included. Moreover, I don’t think you’re going to get much sympathy from oversigning programs by playing the competitive advantage card, so there’s a rhetorical exigency here, too. If you want an audience for this, you have to play to something that a large group of people can agree on. Lots of people are going to see competitive advantage as selfish, while a much larger number will see some reason in the welfare side of the issue. If you want to mobilize that audience, you have to play to its perspective to some degree.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 22, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW...

Welcome to Garnet and Black Attack. We’re glad to have you and we welcome dissenting opinions as long as they’re presented like yours was.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 22, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. (I’m not new, though; I’m Mike Sanders/semicorrect)

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by Semicorrect on Mar 22, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am just happy

Leonard is progressing…he and the other new guys are a welcomed addition to Horn’s club.

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by Flounder on Mar 22, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Mauldin knew well in advance that he wasn’t receiving a LOI as a result of his academics. He really has nothing to complain about.

by Uhaul on Mar 22, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's probably the one doing the least amount of complaining.

It’s everyone else standing up for the guy when it isn’t justified who is complaining. I understand Mauldin probably had his feelings hurt, not being able to play for the team he wanted to. It would hurt my feelings too, but I think he’s handled it quite well. I don’t know how deep Louisville is at defensive end, but I imagine what he did will work out better for him in the long run anyway. The whole argument about Carolina doing nefarious things this offseason has been baffling to me. I don’t see the big deal. As much as I like to talk, I’ve had a hard time coming up with anything to say on the subject, ‘cause I just can’t see what is making so many people upset. I think the whole thing has been handled quite well.

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by silver82blade on Mar 22, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I understand it, Mauldin did think he would be receiving a LOI.

The coaches had talks with him about a possible greyshirt or sign-and-place situation early in the process, but they didn’t tell him about the LOI issue until shortly before signing day. In other words, Mauldin sort of knew that his situation was shaky, but he didn’t know the whole story. Most of the reports have failed to point out the whole story here, basically presenting it as if Mauldin was completely surprised when he got the fax regarding the LOI.

At any rate, I don’t think Carolina did anything “nefarious” here, either, which is one of my problems with some of the anti-oversigning folks. I think that Spurrier failed to manage numbers well, and in that sense made a mistake. Better regulations could help prevent that from happening again, to the benefit of everyone involved. The idea that Spurrier made a calculated move to screw this kid, though, and that oversigning is somehow similar to steroids in baseball is absurd.

I agree that Mauldin handled this maturely and that his situation is essentially being used as a prop by a lot of people. You have a bunch of people whining and moaning about exploitation when what they really care about are perceived slights on the football field. The kid himself doesn’t see it as such a big deal.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 22, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words...

I’d like to see an end to all the grandstanding and for the problem simply to be solved.

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by Gamecock Man on Mar 22, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess no one cares, lol.

I thought it was fairly big news. Well, I for one wish them happiness.

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by silver82blade on Mar 22, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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