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by Gamecock Man on Apr 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT
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Will Darrin Horn go down as the worst coach (any sport) in Carolina history if he fails to excel in the next one or two years?
I don’t know the entire history of our athletic department, but I can’t think of anyone in the past 30 years who’s been worse. The exodus that occurred this year is telling.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 23, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
He's 50-42 at Carolina and his best year was his first when he went 21-10 and tied for 1st in the East
That team was filled with Odom’s recruits and lost in the first round of the NIT, despite regular season success. His last two seasons have produced losing records and next year looks dismal. In comparison, Dave Odom was 128-104 at South Carolina, won two NIT titles, lost another NIT Championship and took the team to the NCAA Tourney.
In baseball, we’ve had Bobby Richardson, June Raines, and Ray Tanner over the past 40 years – all had/are having success.
Sparky and Brad are the biggest competitors for Horn in recent history, but Sparky didn’t have the facilities or commitment that I believe Horn has, and Brad, regardless of how anyone now feels about him, won our first bowl game.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Horn would have been won more games two years ago if not for losing Archie and Holmes. I think we should take that into account.
That said, that would have still been with Odom’s recruits, and the prospects of Horn having any success with his own recruits is beginning to look fairly dismal. He’ll certainly be viewed as a huge failure if he can’t make any headway over the next two years, and that’s looking like a distinct possibility.
I think you’re giving Brad too much credit, though. He won that bowl game with Sparky’s players, right? If so, it’s not fair to slam Horn for that and not Brad. And Horn still hasn’t come close to matching 0-11, so there’s that.
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by Gamecock Man on Apr 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
True about Scott winning that bowl game with Woods' players. I think those are our top two contenders for battle of the worst.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. He was a little before my time, so I'm no expert on this...
But Sparky’s tenure doesn’t look so bad to me. He had to clean the program up after the steroids scandal and oversaw the transition from independent to SEC. Plus, didn’t we reject bowl bids back then because they conflicted with finals? If not for that, he might have won the first bowl game.
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by Gamecock Man on Apr 23, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure on the rejection of bowl bids, but I liked Sparky (I was a youngin’ though, and base that mostly on what I was hearing from my Dad) and don’t think he did a bad job. His problem was mediocrity.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 23, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
"and Brad, regardless of how anyone now feels about him, won our first bowl game."
So what? Brad Scott was the worst thing to ever happen to the Carolina Athletics department. His last year we won one game and he left the team in such bad shape that even Lou Holtz had to wait an entire year before he could get us to win another game. And after that he coached for Clemson. He won that bowl game in his first year (his best season), which is the same thing you’re essentially accusing Darrin Horn of. And coach Odom’s winning percentage was .5517. Coach Horn’s is .5434 – not a whole lot of difference there. Coach Horn’s tenure thus far has been less than thrilling, but calling him the worst coach in Carolina history in any sport is a bit much. We’ve had a lot of really bad football coaches. A lot.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 23, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Horn's percentage will likely take a nose dive.
I seriously doubt he’s the worst ever though. He can do fairly well with great players.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Apr 23, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How would we know how he can do with great players? Downey is the one "great" player he's had.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 24, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Horn's first team was a well rounded bunch of dudes.
Fredrick and Baniulis were solid three point shooters. Archie, Raley-Ross, Holmes; all solid contributors. That team had everything from a solid inside presence, to a solid outside presence, to a guy in Downey who could traverse through both as well as anyone in the conference. Horn isn’t likely to get much of a better team than that here, and with it he lost the first game of the SEC Tournament, and lost the first game of the NIT.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Apr 24, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Our lot of really bad football coaches.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Since 1966 . . .
We’ve had Paul Dietzel (1969 ACC Championship), Jim Carlen (coached Heisman winner George Rogers and had a winning record), Joe Morrison (Black Magic), Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Lou Holtz (2 Outback Bowl wins), and Steve Spurrier.
I believe Horn and Scott are worst two coaches in history. Horn still has a chance, but unless something changes, I don’t see how you can say ASKING if he’s the worst coach in Carolina history is “a bit much.” Who’s worse?
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, here goes...
Every Coach before 1901: combined 13-18 record
Christie Benet: 1904-1905, 1908-1909 (13-16)
Don McCallister: 1935-37 (13-20)
Marvin Bass: 1961-1965 (17-29)
Richard Bell: 1982 (4-7)
Sparky Woods: 1989-1993 (24-28)
And Brad Scott, the man who takes the cake and probably ate it too: 1994-1998 (23-32).
Not to mention the myriad other terrible coaches we’ve had in less important sports, which I’m sure I could find examples of if so inclined.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 25, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Good ol' C.R. Williams really turned things around for us in 1902-1903.
I wonder why he left. After him it was all pretty bad ‘til the mid 20’s.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Apr 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That Christie Benet was horrible. I hated his offensive scheme and think he ran an undisciplined club with little emphasis on recruiting.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang, how old are you?
When people sing you the Happy Birthday song, they must leave out that part about “… and many more.” Just kidding.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Apr 25, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You said the "worst coach in any sport in Carolina history."
I just don’t think that’s true.
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Apr 25, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As previously pointed out, regardless of winning percentage, Odom won 2 NIT titles, lost another, and took us to the tourney.
Right now, you can’t put Horn in the same ballpark.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 24, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saw the spring game for the first time.
Everyone is talking about Shaw and Thompson, but I thought Strickland did the best of the group. After the Holloman pick six, he settled in and did very well. That perfectly placed 28 yard touchdown to Smith over Hampton was something none of our quarterbacks have shown they can do, throw accurately deep. It couldn’t have been more well placed. He also has some zip on his passes. I think he’s the only other legit option we have behind Garcia at this point, if that one game was any measuring stick.
That said, the pass protection was unreal. All the quarterbacks should’ve lit it up, and they didn’t. The starting receiver job was Moore’s to lose, and he is doing everything he can to lose it. He had position deep one on one with Legree. The ball wasn’t really well thrown, but he should’ve at least knocked it away from Legree, and didn’t even get a finger on it. Smith has to, without a doubt, be the guy at this point.
They all have quite some time to improve though. Good luck to all of them during the summer.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Corey Jenkins: Ah, what a great sideline reporter in that video.
haha. How about that Pollock interception?
I started hating UGA because of this game. And it just didn’t really get better. Well not enough at least. That was brutal. And then to go to Athens in 2003, and not only get beat 31-7 (ironic that it was the same score as our win over the UVA team without preseason Heisman hopeful Matt Schaub) but that highlight was everywhere. I think they played the clip on the jumbotron before the game, a picture of David Pollack making the interception was on the program. Oh it was painful.
- FOW
The Pinnock fumble stings worse than the Pollock INT, for me. That was a heck of a play he made. Hated watching it over and over for those few years after.
by Skulls and Spurs on Apr 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I completely agree.
The Pinnock fumble happened right in front of the student section as well. It all kinda blurs together as a mess I will never forget. But that happened kinda early in the game and it just set the tone.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Apr 25, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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