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How Badly Would Anti-Oversigning Legislation Hurt South Carolina?

With Mike Slive's recent statement that he will be trying to push through anti-oversigning legislation at the upcoming league meeting in Destin, the topic of oversigning is again squarely on the agenda around the web. Hop around to any of the usual spots, and you'll find people talking about this topic.

Having heard Steve Spurrier and other coaches defend the practice as integral to their success, many South Carolina fans may be wondering if Slive's intended legislation will have a detrimental effect on our success on the football field. I'd like to take a closer look at that issue today. I think we can get a good sense of the answer to this question by assessing just how much Carolina relies on oversigning as part of its recruiting strategy.

First of all, let's take a look at definitions. Oversigning, according to anti-oversigning crusading site oversigning.com, is defined as follows:

We define oversigning on this site as the act of accepting more signed letters of intent on National Signing Day then you have room for under the 85 scholarship limit.

The key here is that anytime you accept more letters of intent than you have room for under the scholarship limit, you will have to eliminate some of those players from your roster by the time August rolls around. Sometimes the kids do it for you; oftentimes you see players fail to make the grades they need to stay on the team. This, indeed, is why many coaches--including Steve Spurrier--say they oversign; they do so in order to compensate for natural, expected roster attrition. However, if that expected roster attrition doesn't happen, or if a coach oversigns to such an extent that it becomes impossible to reasonably expect that to happen, a program will have to shed players via other, oftentimes dubious means. The recent news of Bobby Petrino's roster management strategies at Arkansas are a good example of what this looks like at its worst. This is exactly what oversigning crusaders are so up in arms about, and rightfully so.

One of the issues in the oversigning debates is that powerhouse programs located in recruiting hotbeds don't need to oversign to the same extent as other programs. These programs--Georgia and Florida are the two best examples in the SEC--can afford to be more selective about who they offer scholarships, under the assumption that they have enough available players and enough recruiting clout that they'll be able to get all the prime talent they need this way. Middling and lesser programs, on the other hand, may be located in less talent-rich states and have less recruiting clout, which necessitates casting a wider net in the search for talent. These latter programs end up oversigning when a larger number of those players than expected end up signing. This is what Spurrier says happened with our last class. These programs may also actually intend to oversign, under the assumption that they can then essentially shed underperforming players and replace them with new recruits. Again, this is what a lot of people are upset about.

To what extent are we practicing oversigning on this level, however? My impression is that we aren't. Let's do some comparison. Over the past four years, the following five programs have signed the following number of players:

Georgia--24, 20, 19, 26 (=89)
South Carolina--23, 29, 23, 32 (=107)
Alabama--32, 28, 26, 23 (=109)
Arkansas--26, 32, 25, 30 (=113)
Ole Miss--31, 37, 26, 28 (=122)

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These numbers don't tell you exactly how many players each program has been oversigned each year. You can only get that number by comparing the number of signed recruits to the number of current players a team has on National Signing Day. I, unfortunately, don't have time to cull those numbers together. However, these numbers should give you a rough idea of the extent to which each team is oversigning (signing many more than 85 in four-year period is predictive in this sense), and the numbers suggest that South Carolina isn't using this tactic to the same extent that our brethren in the Western Division are using it.

This, first of all, lends some credence to Spurrier's claim that what happened this past year, when Carolina signed 32 and was a few oversigned, isn't an example of trying to methodically cheat the system. Second of all, while it's clear that we incorporate oversigning tactics into our recruiting strategies to some extent, we're not relying on them to the same extent that other programs are. This tells me that it wouldn't be the end of the world for us if Slive's legislation goes through.

Another thing to keep in mind when considering the extent to which we'll be hurt by oversigning legislation is which players we're bringing in through oversigning. For the most part, these aren't the money players--the five-, four-, and more notable three-star guys. Rather, they're generally lesser-known guys. If anti-oversigning legislation goes through, the end result will be that we'll be a little more selective with who we offer scholarships to. That won't mean we won't get Marcus Lattimore or Jadeveon Clowney; it will mean that we won't offer Lorenzo Mauldin.

I have little doubt that having the freedom to oversign has had some benefit to us over the years. Would we have a guy like Jimmy Legree on the roster right now if not for laxity in roster management regulations? Maybe not. Legree was a two-star recruit when he joined Carolina. If we didn't have him right now, we would be worse for it, as he's a guy who's likely to see the field and help us out next year. Similarly, I'm sure our late-season depth is benefited to some degree by oversigning. At the same time, though, how many wins do these differences really mean to us? I think that what we saw last year was that the real difference-maker for Carolina football is that we're now capably bringing in players like Lattimore, Alshon Jeffery, and Stephon Gilmore, guys who in the past would have ended up at rival schools. Oversigning legislation doesn't make a difference with those guys. For that reason, I wouldn't put too, too much stock in the idea that anti-oversigning legislation is going to be a huge detriment to Carolina. We can win either way. The question is, are we doing it the right way?

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Playing CFB is a privilege, not a right

I can feel bad for a player getting cut for not being physically, mentally, emotionally … whatever … able to compete at the highest level … but that’s life. There is no property right to NCAA scholarship.

I can feel even worse for a h.s. player who had been holding an offer to play ball for his dream school (or a top choice), only to get the offer pulled or told he has to wait out a semester or a year before he gets a scholly … but that’s life too.

My thinking is that this thing is self-correcting. If a coach shows no loyalty to recruits or players, he suffers when future recruits or players don’t come to play for him. It is totally beyond me, e.g., why any person in their right mind would think Bobby Petrino has any loyalty to anyone in the world not named Bobby Petrino … his conduct at Louisville, the Falcons and now in Little Rock only proves that.

Having said all that, if the league or NCAA imposes rules, so be it. I don’t see this as a major problem. Most of the hotair seems like a lot of whining from certain “have” teams (UGA, UF) directed to up-and-coming teams (SC) who recruit the same turf. Funny how its always Spurrier who is cast as the villain, and the Dawgs and Gators never seem to care about the Tide, the Rebels or the Hogs. Just the Cocks. Go figure.

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by tryptic67 on May 20, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree, but only to an extent.

However, I really think it makes sense for a scholarship to be a four-year commitment from the school, just as it is for the player. Scholarships, in general, are privileges rather than rights: my academic scholarship required that I maintain a certain GPA, for instance. However, if I maintained that GPA, I was guaranteed the scholarship money for the full four years. I think it’s a big leap to compare that situation, where there were transparent expectations, to what we’re seeing with some of the oversigning programs, where coaches are essentially treating scholarships as one-year free-agent scholarships. That’s unacceptable to me, although as I say below, I think it mitigates things a bit if the coach is up front from the beginning.

As far as why we’re the school getting picked on, I think we all know the answer to that question. UGA, Florida, and their fans are leading the charge on this, and they’re targeting us because it makes it easier for them to stomach struggling against us if they can brand us as “cheaters” (despite no actual rules-breaking). Typical entitled behavior.

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by Gamecock Man on May 20, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I spent seven years in academia

including grad school at Carolina. I never saw transparency in grading.

You made the cut on the GPA. If you didn’t – or you had committed academic fraud, or gross violation of the student conduct rules, or were otherwise deemed unworthy – you’d have been shown the door faster than you can say boo-diddly. So the situation is analagous.

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by tryptic67 on May 20, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Losing a scholarship--academic or athletic--due to misconduct is one thing. I have no problem with any coach showing a player the door after said player fails in specified requirements.

However, losing that scholarship because your coach is treating spring practice as tryouts for next year is another thing entirely to me. I’m not seeing the analogy you’re making there.

I, by the way, teach at a university, and I make it a point to make my grading as transparent as possible. Before the first major paper, I give out and discuss a handout on my criteria. Do all students think I’m transparent? Probably not. But I would disagree with them. Students who do poorly on an assignment have a way of believing that grading lacked transparency regardless of what you told them before the assignment was due.

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by Gamecock Man on May 20, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im a terrible cynic

and law school is not like traditional graduate programs, so forgive me if you thought I was taking a swipe at you … i wasn’t!

I guess my point is that if you’re not cutting the athletic mustard, why should you get to hold onto a valuable athletic scholarship, when their fellow students who fail to maintain scholastic standards get dropped from their equally valuable academic scholarships.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t weep if a university were required to provide four years tuition to anyone student athelete who signs (barring transfer or misconduct), I’d like it even better if it didnt count against the 85 football limit. But that last bit is probably a pipe dream.

One thing that came to mind during this discussion is that we’re only a month away from Darrin Horn having asked Spinella and Galloway (if you believe him) to leave the team. It wasn’t a matter of oversigning – or even tied to recruiting (frankly, that would at least make some sense, but it appears Horn didnt have replacements in mind when he cut them). I don’t recall a big hue-and-cry over denying Spinella and Galloway that chance to have their four years at Carolina, or how Horn was devaluing the university’s primary mission. If anything, most of the debate was over whether Horn was out of his mind to run Galloway off and no one seemed terribly upset (perhaps a little wistful) that Spinella was shown the door.

Where’s the difference in what Horn did with respect to Petrino? Isn’t it an apt comparison to say that it appears Horn and Petrino treat schollies as year-to-year deals, subject to revocation at the end of the season for performance issues only?

They wore garnet helmets.

by tryptic67 on May 20, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't take it personally--sorry if I let it seem that way.

You’re right that it seems like something similar happens much more frequently in basketball. Not really sure why that is, although I don’t like it all the same. Were Galloway and Spinella actually forced out, though? Or were they just told they might want to consider it if they ever wanted to see the floor?

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by Gamecock Man on May 20, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That "article" was bush league.

It appears, though, that its purpose was successful: to grossly misrepresent the numbers to make it appear as though something dark and seedy was going on in Fayetteville (that’s where the UA is for the geographically challenged).

I’ve seen you elsewhere mention that was Petrino did was “an abuse of the system”. How so? It’s within in the rule framework, especially considering that scholarships are not 4-year contracts. What’s more is, this is something that every other coach in the conference has done, except Petrino’s actually being honest (including to the players) about what’s happening… something that can’t be said for the rest of the coaches, who blame it on an unspecified “violation of team rules”, a surprise grey shirt, or something to that effect.

by dxf04 on May 20, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Well...

I’ll admit that what I’m saying about Arkansas is mainly based on what I’m getting from other sources, some of them likely dubious. I don’t know all the details about what Petrino was doing, so I apologize if I’m not being fair to him. Like I said above, I do have a problem with coaches treating scholarships like one-year deals. However, I also think that if Petrino is being up-front about everything, that definitely mitigates things a good bit.

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by Gamecock Man on May 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was the one who said Little Rock

instead of Fayettville! And I do know the difference. Call it a brain-cramp rather than being truly challenged in the geography department.

In my defense, when I was thinking about the Hogs, my first thought was the’ big win over LSU last year at War Memorial Stadium. At least that’s my story. And I’m sticking to it.

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by tryptic67 on May 20, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm still under the delusion that a university's main priority is educating student-athletes.

And that’s why I think a scholarship offer should be a four-year commitment from the school as long as the student-athlete is meeting the requirements in the classroom. Spurrier has done that as far as I can tell. Anyone who has left has done so because of playing time, and the reason I know that is because they enroll at other schools where they go on to play. Once you truly start treating athletic scholarships as one-year commitments, you turn the page on amateurism.

And like I’ve said before, if a kid is gray-shirted because of his grades, and that’s the only reason, I don’t really have a problem with it at all. Those sanctimonious chicken-littles at oversigning.com need to pull their head out of their rear. A kid who can’t maintain a “C” average and score a 900 on his SAT is not going to have his life ruined because he has to wait a year to enroll at a major college. In fact, it will probably benefit him long-term. So my suggestion to them would be to devote their time to a more noble cause.

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State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on May 20, 2011 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post. I agree.

In essence, this is another part of the story regarding why I generally think Spurrier is one of the good guys here, although I do think he messed up a bit with the Mauldin / Montgomery scenario.

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by Gamecock Man on May 20, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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