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South Carolina Football All-Decade Team: Quarterback

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This post continues a series picking an All-Decade Team. Over the summer, we'll be honoring the best players Carolina has had at each position over the past ten years. We'll also give shout-outs to some of the other memorable players we've had. In our last four installments of this series, I picked Ryan Succop as our top placekicker, Spencer Lanning as our punter, Marcus Lattimore (with an honorable mention to Cory Boyd) as our runningback, Jared Cook at tight end, Alshon Jeffery and Sidney Rice at wide receiver, and Travelle Wharton, Garrett Chisolm, T.J. Johnson, Shane Hall, and Melvin Paige on the offensive line.

Today, we're taking a look at what should be one of the more interesting entries in our series, quarterback. The quarterback is always the most talked-about player on the team, but it seems that the position has carried more than the usual drama with us than elsewhere. Carolina has fielded some interesting talents at quarterback over the past ten years, but those players have generally failed to live up to expectations or have been inconsistent in doing so. We've also had some colorful characters at the position, with Blake Mitchell and Stephen Garcia in particular being known for their off-field antics. The position is also notable for having been a point of contention during the Spurrier era, with many wondering why our reputed quarterback guru has failed to recruit and / or coach up an elite SEC quarterback during his tenure.

There are three quarterbacks we'll be considering: Phil Petty, Mitchell, and Garcia. We've had a number of other starters over the years, including Corey Jenkins, Dondrial Pinkins, Syvelle Newton, and Chris Smelley. However, while each of these players has had his moments, they have failed to hold onto the starting job for very long and / or to have significant success. Petty, Mitchell, and Garcia, on the other hand, have been long-term starters and have presided over the more successful seasons we've had over the course of the decade.

Here are some career stats to ponder for each player:

Petty: 52.9% / 5245 yds / 25 TD / 27 INT / 111.3 RAT
Mitchell: 60.7% / 5992 yds / 38 TD / 30 INT / 132.3 RAT
Garcia: 58.5% / 6753 yds / 43 TD / 32 INT / 129.9 RAT

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When I evaluate about QBs, I'm interested in balancing their statistics against their ability to lead us to wins. A few things jump out at me about these statistics. First of all, Petty, a fan-favorite due to his reputation for being a tough team leader during the memorable 2000 and 2001 seasons, has by far the worst statistics of the trio. That's partially because he played on the lean 1998 and 1999 squads and never played for a team that liked to pass, but it's also because he simply wasn't very efficient. One might write off total yards and TDs to style of play, but his career RAT is quite low and he never posted one above 123. INTs were also frequently a problem for him, as his negative career TD-INT ratio suggests; even during a successful 2000 season, he had a negative ratio. Despite his strong reputation, I see these as being serious enough flaws to prevent me from picking Petty. For all Petty did, I still see the Outback teams as being products of defensive excellence, as opposed to bastions of quality offensive talent.

The second thing that surprised me was that Mitchell was seemingly the most efficient of the bunch. I don't know about you, but this isn't exactly how I remember those years going down. However, stats don't lie, and Mitchell's 130+ rating is quite respectable. My main knock against him, though, is that he was unable to hold down the starting job in 2006 and 2007 and that he was a poor finisher who rarely seemed to make a key play at the right time. The 2006 Arkansas and 2007 Tennessee games, when Mitchell came off the bench to lead comebacks he wasn't able to finish, sum up my impression of his legacy. He was a very good QB, but he never quite got over the hump.

The third candidate is our (presumably) current signal-caller, Garcia. Garcia has become rather infamous for his repeated and oftentimes bizarre off-field misbehavior, but his statistics are very solid. Despite having only played three years, Garcia is well ahead of the other two in total yards, a product of having spent two relatively successful years as a full-time starter in a fairly pass-heavy offensive scheme. He could very well break Carolina's all-time record in that department with a big 2011. He also has the most TDs and best TD-INT ratio, and could surpass Mitchell's RAT with an efficient 2011. Like Petty, Garcia has distinguished himself with some clutch performances, such as his lights-out play against Alabama last year. The big knocks against Garcia are the inexplicably horrible games, particularly all his post-season performances, and, of course, the off-field fiascos.

Still, as you might have already guessed, I'm partial to Garcia as our All-Decade QB. I see Garcia as possessing the best of what Petty and Mitchell bring to the table: Garcia both has great stats and has led us to lots of big wins. The stats speak for themselves, and although the off-field incidents will always be a knock against his leadership skills, you can't deny that he's come to play in some big games. As surprising as it may sound considering all the drama he's caused, with a good year in 2011 he could very well go down not only as Carolina's best quarterback of the 2000s but, indeed, as our best of all-time.

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Who would you pick as our All-Decade QB?
Phil Petty
65 votes
Blake Mitchell
30 votes
Stephen Garcia
197 votes

292 votes | Poll has closed

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A fan favorite yes but you can't argue numbers,

and really if Garcia had kept his nose clean outside of football I don’t think this would be close.

by Whasup33 on Jul 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mitchell I think

was actually a better QB than Petty was… of course Petty era was when I was yet to be a teen.

But Garcia still has another year to play and already dominates the stats. I think Garcia has a strong arguement to be the favorite for All-Century team

by Gamecockrock on Jul 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

My opinion on off the field problems for athletes is the same as Celebrities/Politicians

they are human people, get over it… as long as it doesnt affect their performance on the job who cares. Now of course this doesnt include any violent behavior, im talkin misdemeanor stuff or simply having too much of a good time.

by Gamecockrock on Jul 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That goes doubly so for College Athletes

since, half the reason they are here, is to experience the college life. So you will never see me judge Garcia for his indiscretions off the field (unless he kills/molests someone)

by Gamecockrock on Jul 5, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you would have to be prioritizing off-field image over on-field performance to pick Petty over Garcia.

And I agree, that would be a perversion of what matters in terms of how we view the two guys as football players.

Still, I think you could easily argue that Garcia’s off-field problems have held him back on the football field, so it’s not like the two issues are separate. He’s missed tons of practice time due to suspensions, and that’s only the most tangible drawback his behavior has had. I think he’d be an All-SEC caliber QB by now if not for his lack of focus. As it is, he’s still good, but he could have been so much better. He has one last chance to make up for it, though, so here’s to hoping.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 5, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wanted to argue Petty

because he was a rock. And he was clutch in big series. And in his first start he was basically thrown to the wolves in the Clemson game. But the numbers don’t lie.

Blake had his moments. What talent. And he played behind a patchwork OL. But it took Syvelle Newton to pull our chestnuts out of the proverbial fire after we got waxed by Georgia, which set the table for Blake to start in the latter part of ’06.

Speaking of Syvelle, can we get some love for one of the just four players in CFB history with more than 600 yards rushing, passing and receiving in his career? Always a fan favorite. A workhorse. If we asked him to do it, he did. When we needed him to deliver, he did. He was injured at the end of October in 05 so he missed four games in his third and final season with the Cocks.

I hope ya’ can find an honorable mention for Syvelle. His Carolina bio and significant stats are here and fans may be curious to know that Sly is tearing it up in the Arena Football Leauge for the Philadelphia Soul, with 93 receptions and 1200 yards this season. Righteous.

They wore garnet helmets.

by tryptic67 on Jul 5, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm thinking about having a separate category for Syvelle and Ryan Brewer.

Both great players who made inestimable contributions to the program, just not at a single position.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 5, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post

pretty much sums up how I feel about these three players. Loved Syvelle Newton. He even played safety in that (in)famous 06 Swamp game. Watch the 2001 highlights of Petty vs Alabama. That was fun. And Blake had some incredible moments. The bowl game vs Houston, anyone?

by robert guiscard on Jul 6, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had totally forgotten that Sly had played "D"

I find it odd that I remember some things from our 1990s teams like it was yesterday, and have trouble recalling things from just a few years ago. Well they say memory is the first thing to go? Or is it the second? Hah.

Also I must correct a huge non sequitur. My link to Newton’s Carolina bio was from 05 and didn’t include his 06 information … his career didn’t end after the 05 injury obviously because he had a great 06 campaign.

Newton’s 2006 stats are here

They wore garnet helmets.

by tryptic67 on Jul 6, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough choice.

It’s like trying to pick between a poke in the eye, a sprained ankle, or a jammed toe. I guess all three would be better than a broken arm.

All three of the above QB’s have had their moments. And all three have broken my heart. I’m still waiting for a reliable, consistent, and talented QB. Until then, I’ll abstain from this vote.

by Cocky, Esq. on Jul 6, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Reliable, consistent, and talented?

Surely you didn’t mean to use those words to describe Garcia. Not STEPHEN Garcia. The one who plays for USC.

The only reliable and consistent talent that Garcia has demonstrated is the talent of making poor decisions. Both on and off the field.

I’m a big USC fan, but sometime you have to put down the Kool-Aid and look for yourself.

by Cocky, Esq. on Jul 6, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what you're comparing him against.

He’s certainly not managed to be as reliable, consistent, and talented as he could be. He’s wasted a fair bit of his talent. But he’s already proven himself more reliable, consistent, and talented than the other two contenders, IMO.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 6, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should say that, BTW, although I can't speak for everyone here, I say all of these things about Garcia as someone who has steadfastly refused to drink the Garcia koolaid.

Garcia ranks very well against prior USC QBs. That’s partially because we haven’t had many good ones here, but it’s also because some us tend to downplay the positive things Garcia does on the field in light of the negative things he does off of it.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 6, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see where you're coming from

because Stephen’s moments of briliance are marred by his inexplicable inconsistency, which are amplified by his repeated off-the-field boneheadedness. That’s been the HBC’s main complaint for years.

But notwithstanding the fact we’re discussing an all-Decade team, from my pov this next year will be the one that defines Stephen Garcia’s career at USC. Either he plays as an elite SEC QB and we contend for a championship; or he falters down the stretch and we don’t.

If its the former, then all his peccadilloes are forgiven/forgotten. If its the latter, then Cocky, Esq is right that we’ll remember that Stephen had his moments, but blew his chances and broke our hearts.

From where I sit, Stephen’s goals are to end the season as the First Team All SEC QB and guide his team to a conference championship and a shot at the BCS Title Game. I would feel he earned his chops if he finishes Second Team All SEC and gets us back to the SECCG or a BCS Bowl Game. A lot of pressure? Yes. Within his ability? Yes.

They wore garnet helmets.

by tryptic67 on Jul 6, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark my words

he will be much more reliable, much more consistent this year… and as for talent, he has always been talented.

by Gamecockrock on Jul 6, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's an All-Decade Team, so the results aren't going to change.

Garcia has the best numbers and won an SEC East Championship. Winner.

by Skulls and Spurs on Jul 6, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best aggregate numbers, I should say. Total yardage and TD:INT ratio are more important than a few points on percentage and QB rating, IMO. Blake’s a friend and a talented QB, but the title and winning against Clemson for Garcia earn him first-team honors.

by Skulls and Spurs on Jul 6, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Garcia's percentage and RAT will go up after this year. All three of these QBs struggled at points early on and needed strong performances late in their careers to bring their numbers up.

With the benefit of a fourth year, Garcia’s numbers will look much better than Petty and Mitchell, IMO. And hopefully, he’ll have another trophy to his credit.

In ten years, I think we’ll all look back on Garcia very fondly. Today, we think of him for his off-field snafus, but in ten years, we’ll think of him for being one of the best QBs we ever had and a player who led us to our first taste of real success.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 6, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those stats don't belong to Garcia ...

they belong to the guys that caught the ball. They made Garcia look much better than he really was. Put Lattimore on the field, and he’ll make a HS Varsity QB look at least as good as Garcia.

by Cocky, Esq. on Jul 6, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

If that were true, then we’d be discussing the impending start of the Connor Shaw era, and the stats of the former Gamecock QB Garcia.

by robert guiscard on Jul 6, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry Cocky, Esq., but I'm with Mr. Guiscard on this one. (Welcome, by the way!)

Certainly, Jeffery, Lattimore, and others get their share of the credit for Garcia’s success, but you can’t completely write off Garcia’s performance for that reason. Tim Tebow wasn’t half as good in 2009 as he was in 2008, when he had Percy Harvin at his disposal. Does that mean Tebow wasn’t truly a great QB? The question is rhetorical, of course. And regardless, we’re comparing Carolina QBs. All three of these QBs had some placemakers at their disposal. Petty’s RB was Derek Watson, talent-wise probably the second-best RB we’ve had in the past ten years. Mitchell had Sidney Rice, Cory Boyd, Syvelle, Kenny McKinley, etc. Give Garcia credit for making the best use of the guys around him of the group.

The player I really think deserves some concessions based on the talent around him is Mitchell. He played behind some awful lines, and unlike Garcia, he wasn’t mobile enough to escape the rush.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

did you watch the Bama game???

I dont think we win that game without Garcias great play, which means he has plenty of talent… do not judge a players ability on the field, by his indiscretions off it… feel free to judge his character, but not his ability

by Gamecockrock on Jul 6, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Garcia hasn't always choked in big games. He was magnificent last year against 'Bama, and that was arguably the biggest win Carolina has ever had.

Obviously, Jeffery deserves some of the credit for those catches, but Garcia placed almost every ball right it needed to be in that game. That one wasn’t all Jeffery.

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by Gamecock Man on Jul 6, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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