Vanderbilt at South Carolina Post-Game: Gamecocks Win Ugly against Commodores
With the Commodores coming into the game a trendy upset pick, South Carolina took care of business, winning 21-3 and going to 4-0 on the year for the first time during Steve Spurrier's tenure in Columbia. Unfortunately, though, this win was a bit less than satisfying. The quarterback controversy is back with a vengeance, and that's not a position you want to be in heading into a huge game against the Auburn Tigers. After seemingly winning back the starting job with gusto with a solid performance against East Carolina, Stephen Garcia's performance has deteriorated with each subsequent game. I think it may be safe to say, though, that tonight's tilt with Vanderbilt was the worst of them all--perhaps the worst of his career. Garcia has seemingly regressed to 2008-Outback Bowl levels of ineptitude. He threw four interceptions, and outside of one or two plays, his passes were almost all off the mark somehow or another. Even his longer completions were generally bad passes; a couple can only be described as circus catches, heady plays by the receivers at best and simply lucky at worst, and others were thrown behind receivers, costing us yards after the catch. Likely much later than most of us would have liked, Spurrier finally opted to put Connor Shaw into the game. Shaw, for his part, made a couple of decent plays, but he also missed a wide open receiver on an underneath crossing route. Although he can say that he didn't turn the ball over, he hardly made a decisive statement for himself. Needless to say, Spurrier has a lot to think about heading into the Auburn game.
The good news is that our defense came to play in this game. The defense was, in a word, completely dominant, holding Vandy to 77 yards and only five first downs. Undoubtedly, Vandy's offensive ineptitude gets part of the credit for those numbers; Vandy, particularly QB Larry Smith, made many, many ugly plays in this game, and the offensive gameplan had to have been one of the more vanilla, risk-averse schemes I've ever seen a team use. That said, the defense did a number of things that I liked a lot. First of all, it was clear that Ellis Johnson and his staff took note of all the success East Carolina and Georgia had on short passing routes, and the more aggressive coverage schemes they installed for this game--along with impressive tackling by the defensive backs--were extremely effective in shutting down the many screens, slants, and sweeps that Vandy ran. Second of all, our defensive line was simply magnificent. Granted, Vandy's offensive line is going to get manhandled all year, but you have to like the penetration we got, and the number of passes we tipped might have been even more impressive. There were a handful of "wow" plays by the group, such as Jadeveon Clowney's forced fumble late in the game. Smith--poor guy--was in bad shape at game's end after getting nailed so many times. I think this was a coming out party of sorts for our pass rush, which hasn't been to show out a whole lot due to the offensive schemes we've faced so far.
However, there's not a whole lot of reason to be happy about this win. Although Vandy did have a little momentum coming into this game, I came away feeling like we would have whipped them by 40 or so if we had remotely played well. To our credit, we did cover the spread, but it should be noted that if not for another wild defensive score and a fluke catch by Ace Sanders, this could have very well been a 7-3 ballgame. Marcus Lattimore and our defense will give us a chance in all of our contests, but if we're going to live up to our preseason billing as a contender for the SEC Title, our passing game is going to have to get better. If anyone thinks we're capable of consistently beating good teams with the kind of performance we put in today, they're dreaming.
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A few additional observations:
--I found the playcalling by Spurrier in this game to be extremely odd. It seems abundantly obvious to me that we should be working the underneath routes, screens, etc., in the passing game, but we threw for lots of deep routes while Garcia was in. Then, when Shaw finally got into the game, we became extremely conservative, running the ball on almost every down. My impression was that once it became clear that we didn't need to worry much about Vandy making a comeback because of the Dores' offensive woes, Spurrier wanted to give Garcia as many chances as possible to hit a deep ball. Unfortunately, it never happened. I would have much rather seen us try to run a more balanced offense throughout the game. While I think it would be good for Garcia to hit one of those deep balls, I also think it would be good to allow him to get into a rhythm as a game-manager. A lot of the deep throws seemed extremely forced in this game, and if we slowed down and ran our offense, we might find that Garcia would settle in a bit.
--One of the more worrisome things that we saw in this game was that Vandy provided a nice blueprint for slowing down Carolina's offense, largely stifling Lattimore--relatively speaking, at least--in the ground game by stacking the box and using the linebackers to key in on the run. Granted, if we hadn't been so committed to either running or throwing deep downfield, we probably could have found some other ways to loosen up Vandy's rushing defense.
--I was less impressed with our offensive line after this game than in the previous three. The group didn't open as many holes for Lattimore (although the aforementioned defensive schemes had a lot to do with that), and it committed too many penalties. The penalties were particularly troublesome, as some of them cost the offense big gains. That needs to end, and quick.
--I can only imagine how frustrated Alshon Jeffery is right now. The talented receiver is watching his hopes of earning All-America honors go up in smoke because his QB can't get him the ball. It's really a shame that we have a guy like him on our roster and can't make better use of him.
--I found the officiating in this game to be extremely frustrating. We might have put up many more points in this game if not for a number of untimely penalties that negated sizeable gains, and while I can't blame the officials for calling the penalties they saw, I thought they let Vandy get away with quite a few obvious infractions.
That's a wrap on this one, folks. I'll be back tomorrow to talk about which QB I believe should start against Auburn next week.
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Uggh
Unlike Cocknfire, you guys don’t need to strain to be non-partisan.
We dominated this game. Our offense looked completely bored and never very impressive, and yet we dominated. We could just as easily have won 42-3 as “7-3,” if a couple of calls or bounces went our way. Vandy never threatened.
Can we and must we improve? Absolutely. But it’s possible. I think Garcia is our best option. Despite his incredibly lackluster play this year, I trust him in the big game over Connor Shaw any day, and expect him to step up whenever we need him to.
We will see if we improve, I fully expect massive improvement. As for now? We are one third the way through our season without a loss, and plenty of possible wins still to come. I’m pretty excited for our season’s potential.
We were clearly the better team, yes, but we were playing Vanderbilt. We need to be more than simply the better team in these games.
Did you see what Florida did to Kentucky? That’s what we should have done in this game. That’s what legitimate Top 15 teams do. Am I giving up hope? No. We’re 4-0, our defense is improving, and we have a Heisman-candidate tailback. However, some of the question marks we’re seeing right now are going to come back to haunt us later in the season if we don’t improve. Let’s just hope Garcia—or Shaw, if we go with him—improves.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
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Is terrible. . .Vandy is mediocre. I fully agree we have to get better, but we are beating teams on their level. People say we can’t keep winning ugly. Why? That makes no sense, as long as we win, who cares?
Yeah, if we don’t improve on the turnovers and converting red zone possessions, we will lose some games. But who says we won’t? We have at least met every need we have had so far. The QB play absolutely must improve to win, but I really don’t see how it won’t.
We will see, though, as for now we are still 4-0
When I say we can't keep winning ugly, I don't mean an ugly win isn't a win. I mean that we can't play like this and beat better teams.
I hope you’re right that things get better. I agree that they could. Garcia has played well in the past; I don’t see why he can’t do so again.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
because ugly wins against mediocre teams turn into ugly losses against better teams.
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“We got manhandled up front. Their athleticism up front was obvious,” Franklin said. “We struggled with that all night.”
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http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312672579
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The defense that gave up 33.3 points and 372 yards per game didn’t make it to Williams-Brice Stadium. Defensive coordinator Ellis Johnson said there wasn’t a defensive revival during the week and he’s not even convinced this is an exceptional group. It’s getting better, but it’s far from special.
"I don’t want to give any false pretenses — we are a blue collar group," Johnson said. "We’re just old, simple pound cake. We gotta few cherries, but when we talk about this conference, there’s nothing special about the talent on this defense. I’ve been coaching 36 years and I’ve been around some great defenses and this is not one of them. This is a damn good defense that if we learn how to practice and play hard it would be pretty good.
"I think they’re starting to realize that."
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http://vucommodores.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/092511aae.html
VANDERBILT QUOTES
Head Coach James Franklin
On conservative play calling
It was no more conservative than it’s been any other week. We got into a situation where we couldn’t protect and we couldn’t block in the running game. It’s hard to call a game if you can’t protect and you can’t run the ball.
On South Carolina’s defense’s speed and strength
It was a combination of both, that’s a big, talented, physical defensive line. Clearly, clearly the best defensive line we’ve faced this year.
Jerron Seymour – Freshman – Running Back
On the South Carolina defensive line
They were very disruptive this game. They played very hard and were very intense throughout the game. They brought their “A”-game today. They are a gifted group that is very athletic, big, and powerful. They caused a lot of problems for our offense, and we could never really get in a groove.
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Dysfunction
There is something wrong with Stephen Garcia. I don’t know what it is, where it came from or what to do about it. But whatever it is, its killing this team. Until he can beat it, he not only shouldn’t start, he shouldn’t even see the field. That won’t happen of course. For good or ill, Spurrier isn’t going to bench Garcia. He is not going to platoon Garcia and Shaw. He is not going to use Ellington and the Wild Cock except as an occassional off-speed pitch, to keep defenses guessing.
Before the season started, I commented how I was reassured by how long Spurrier has been a head coach – in this league and others. I know I should defer to his judgment, but I just can’t shake the feeling that he has thrown in the towel; that he has resigned himself to the fact that Stephen is our only option. In other words, we’re stuck. In spite of Shaw’s many admirable qualities (conditiioning, work ethic, devotion on the practice field), he cannot compete in the SEC. And there’s no one else. Not Thompson; not Clifford; not McEvoy; not Ellington. The QB cupboard is utterly bare except for Stephen.
I’m not naive. QB is the hardest position to recruit in CFB. Most prospects bust; most starters are wildly inconistent. If you can land a QB with enough talent to even have a cup of coffee in the NFL, then you’ll likely have a good season. If you can land one who can play at an NFL level, you can contend for conference championships. Other than that, you just never know.
It’s not just the weapons around you. Think of Greg McElroy and Mike Hartline. Both are seniors. Greg is good enough to make an NFL roster, but Mike isnt. You might say its unfair to Hartline, as McElroy had Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson and Julio Jones; but Hartline had Randall Cobb and Derrick Locke (who was hampered by injury). Say what you will, but McElroy plays at a consistently higher level than Hartline. If you switch them, Alabama loses more games, UK wins more games.
When it comes right down to it, it is that simple. If the “Notorious TOB” doesn’t get pissy about Russell Wilson, then the Pack are in the thick of the ACC race, rather than getting humiliated with Glennon under center. When Luck and Moore graduate from Stanford and Boise State respectively, expect both those two teams to likely fall off. Gino Smith has all the talent in the world, but he is inconsistent – consequently, so are the WVU Mountaineers. Etc., etc. The same holds true in the SEC. Right now there is only one elite SEC QB – Murray (UGA) – who has his own consistency issues but a QB rating over 160; only Bray (UT) and Wilson (Ark) have ratings over 160, but not against the same level of competition as Murray. Trotter (Aub) in the 150s for now; Brantley (FL) and Lee (LSU) are in the 140s. That’s the end of the discussion on top SEC QB’s.
So that beg’s the question. Whose fault is it? Garcia’s? Or Spurrier’s? True, the HBC doesn’t coach Garcia to be good one play, bad the next and lucky the third – so some of the responsibility must rest on the fifth year Senior who was a pre-season All-SEC 2nd rounder.
But Spurrier must bear most of the blame for not being able to recruit anyone else capable of starting. Whether its his personality or sideline antics that scares away recruits, or just bad luck – or both – it’s our achilles heel. All-American RB, WR and DL can only compensate so long.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
Why not?
We, including Coach, agree that the QB play has been awful 85% of the time, and various personnel combos don’t change anything. So, why not put Ellington in the shotgun? He’s a point guard, trained to make decisions…a skill lacking in our QBs. Can he throw? Couldn’t do any worse than Garcia/Shaw. Can he run? Oh yea.
I belive Coach has a mental image of what a QB should be. And, although it is possible to apply enough pressure to turn a hunk of coal into diamond, it takes a long time… he doesn’t have enough time to turn Garcia into his image of a QB, or anybody else’s image of a QB.
Maybe Coach has never heard the definition of insanity
idk about the Wild Cock
we’re better off giving shaw enough of a chance to settle down and play for an entire half. he’s played 1 quarter +5 plays or so. that’s not enough to really know what he can do is it? unless, he has been atrocious in practice.
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I was just looking at the stats column. The REASON I was looking was that the DEFENSE won this game!
THERE AIN’T NO DEFENSIVE STATS!
Can someone fix this? Can I get an upvote on this?
Our defense is kicking tail and deserves its own page!
I'll look into it. But I would suggest going to USC's official site. It will have defensive stats. It can be hard to find them elsewhere. Even ESPN's box scores don't have tackling stats.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ive never been able to find d stats
either. i’d love to see coaching grades too.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
Thanks pal.
It really WOULD be nice to see (ahem) defensive touchdowns.
by criolle johnny on Sep 26, 2011 6:06 AM EDT up reply actions
After just 4 games, Clowney has . . .
16 tackles, 5 tfl, 4 sacks, 1 pass breakup, 2 QB hurries, and 3 forced fumbles. WOW!
by Skulls and Spurs on Sep 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the real deal, for sure. Just imagine what he'll be like once he settles in and quits biting on the fakes.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That second forced fumble he had, by the way, was unreal. He leaped over a defender to get there.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You can take your stats and wallpaper your powder room.
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by Gamecock'n'Balls on Sep 26, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
So, what did everyone think of the officiating? I hated it. We got a somewhat lucky call on the Gilmore INT...
But then the refs spent the rest of the game making up for it by giving Vandy tacky penalties. I hate games like that.
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perhaps most frustrating
is that SG seems ok with his performance. he doesn’t understand that the top teams in the SEC blow us out with a performance like that. giving short fields and throwing picks in the redzone.
apparently the 2nd pick was Alshon’s fault for not turning in, and the endzone pick was a bit unlucky. but he was throwing into brackets, double teams, behind runners on completions, way over their head, way short, way left, way right too many times to count. i don’t know how bad Shaw is, but if you limit him to 1 play plus 2 checkdowns i think he can do no worse.
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Yeah, second pick was definitely Alshon's fault. I noticed that during the game.
The others were all on Garcia, though. He should have ran on a couple of them, and another was just a bad throw. And he’s lucky he didn’t throw a few more. That play where Sanders caught the deflection probably should have been intercepted.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't like his interview comments, either. It seemed to me there wasn't enough frustration.
He should be telling us that his play is inexcusable and he’s going to work his butt off to remedy his freshman-like mistakes. It was SOS’s fault when he threw the horrible pick last week, Alshon cut wrong once this week, wasn’t expecting the ball the other time . . . C’mon. Make the throws and quit giving us excuses. Valid or not, when you’ve thrown 7 picks through 4 games as a RS Sr, no one wants to hear it.
by Skulls and Spurs on Sep 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the fact that even without the picks, he's misfired on several open receivers downfield, and he's failed to see several others. His vision and ability to go through progressions is even worse than it used to be, if that's possible.
How many times were Sanders, Jeffery, and Smith open last night and didn’t get a throw their way? I’m betting quite a few.
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by Gamecock Man on Sep 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
On Garcia
Maybe he decided to lay off the booze and the women. If so, he needs to go back to that, fast!
Or—he needs the beard back. Samson had his hair—Garcia needs the 2 day old beard.
It does remind me of the scene from Major League 2 where Jake Taylor tells Rick Vaughn to get back to what got him there.
(ok, in seriousness, I don’t know. I’m just being silly)
I have to confess the same thought crossed my mind
but I’d rather see Stephen clean up his act and win. All the pieces are there (talent, brains). He’s also a father. I think we tend to forget that.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
Until the guy costs us a win, I'm not ready to make a pre-emptive move.
I think Spurrier might feel the same way.
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