South Carolina Basketball: Can Darrin Horn Save His Job?
A few weeks ago, the word was that Eric Hyman's budget is tied and that we wouldn't be in the position to pay Darrin Horn's buyout and bring in a new coach with good qualifications. At that point, I would have told you that I thought Horn would get one more year regardless of how bad the season end up. Now, it seems I may have underestimated just how bad the season could get. The 'Cocks now sit at 9-15 overall and 1-9 in the conference. The season has quickly become the worst in recent memory for Carolina, and that's saying something considering our lack of success on the hardwood. There are some good opportunities for wins down the stretch, but it's also very possible that we may only win one or two more games--or worse. To make matters worse, attendance has hit an all-time low. The Kentucky game in Columbia was a disaster, but really, the disaster wasn't so much what happened on the court, although that was certainly bad. What was worst was that the Big Blue Nation turned the Colonial Life Arena into Mini-Rupp. When you can't get the fans to come see a game against the best team in the nation, you've got major problems. And that's likely what's most on Hyman's mind right now: the bottom line. Sure, Horn's buyout and the money tied up in facilities upgrades are financially daunting. Are they as daunting, though, as the prospect of another year with the CLA at minimum capacity? My guess is probably not.
Still, though, there are reasons why it would be in Hyman's best interest to keep Horn. The thing is that Horn is going to have to do his part and figure out a way to get his team to win some games down the stretch and thus to inject some life into this moribund program. The Gamecocks have six regular-season games left: a home-away with UGA, a home with LSU, an away with Vandy, and homes with Tennessee and Mississippi St. Then, of course, they have the SEC Tournament. As said, considering how we've played lately, none of these games are gimmes. Even UGA is playing well lately. However, at the same time, I do think the possibility is there for the Gamecocks to string together a few wins.Truth be told, the first half of our season was much tougher than what we have coming up: two games apiece against UF and UK, road games against some other tough teams, no UGA, etc. The next few games provide some of our most ample opportunities for wins. At Vandy is probably a no-go, but other than that, I don't see any games that we'll be completely overmatched in, at least not until we play (if we do) a really tough team in the SECT. If Carolina wins some of these games, that should help Horn's prospects. And needless to say, a deep run in the SECT would help quite a bit, although I somewhat doubt our ability to get out of the second round or so, considering the unlikelihood of us beating a good team on a neutral court.
The question, though, is whether a winning streak would revitalize a fan base that might already have completely lost faith in Horn. Without some indication that ticket sales will improve next year, Hyman may not have much of a choice with Horn. Therefore, it seems a propos to put the question to you, dear reader: What do you need to see to get back into Carolina men's basketball? Why?
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Good post and well-reasoned
I went and voted “nothing will change my mind” and here is why:
I’ve got no beef with Darrin Horn the man. Seems like a great guy, good family man, solid representative of the University.
I’ve got no beef with Darrin Horn the motivator. With the possible exception of the UK game, the Cocks haven’t given up. They scrap. They play hard. The 16-0 run at the end of the Arkansas game shows they fight to the buzzer.
I do have a beef with Darrin Horn the x’s-and-o’s coach / teacher of the game. We don’t have any sort of an offensive identity, and a gimmicky defense (“match zone”) that leaves us exposed on the perimeter. We seem to make the same mistakes over-and over.
More than that, I have a beef with Darrin Horn from a player personnel standpoint. In this new age of NCAA hoops, unless you have 5 star talent, you need upperclassmen in order to win games. For one reason or another, Horn has dismissed (or allowed to leave on his watch) a number of kids before they become upperclassmen. We seem to be perpetually young; we lack veterans and it’s killing us. It’s not going to be much better next year.
Even more than that, I have a huge beef with Darrin Horn as a promoter of South Carolina basketball. The would turn out if there was a winning product. But we’ve had two overall (and two SEC) losing seasons in a row, and we’re working on a third. The fans have already voted with their feet (or their butts – since there are so few butts in the seats). Poor attendance is probably exacerbated by the poor economy, but that’s not the explanation.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
Can't disagree with a lot of that, particularly the points about personnel development.
Sure does sting to watch Ramon Galloway blossoming into a great player at La Salle.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
It should be noted that many who defend Horn say that he should be given time to grow into the job...
But that the mistakes he is making are so elementary as to be things he should just know better about.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
The results seem inconclusive.
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
For what it's worth,
I voted that he needs to win some games and be competitive otherwise. Oh, and stop skipping his call-in show. What the heck is up with that?
Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina
by The Feathered Warrior on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST reply actions
That kind of thing is actually a big part of the problem with him, I think.
Losing coaches can’t afford to come across as arrogant and unlikeable. That kind of behavior is all well and good when you’re winning ball games, but Horn isn’t. I think this is actually why a lot of Carolina fans were so down on Spurrier when he was struggling. He was losing games and then providing answers that were too brutally honest when asked why.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have not noticed any arrogance
from Horn this season. He seems very personable when I have seen him at press conferences, or heard him on the radio. He is pretty frank in answering questions. I don’t know why he missed the call-in shows, but maybe he was recruiting. But whatever the reason, no big deal. He had one of his coaches there so, no harm.
I give Horn a complete pass for his second year. Losing Archie and Holmes killed the season. They had no one who could fill those voids.
Last year, and this year have been disappointing. Our players have simply not performed to the level that Coach Horn needs them to. There may be several reasons for that, but the bottom line is, the players have not performed well enough.
I am not one who criticizes Horn’s coaching, or complains about the team’s “identity”, whatever that means. You can run any offense or any defense and be successful, if your players perform. The reason we are not winning is simply that our players are not playing well enough. A coach is judged by how well his players play. Good players make good coaches. If Horn is fired, it will be because he didn’t win enough to keep his job. Simple as that. His players have not performed like he needs them to. Whether that’s his fault or their fault, the fact remains that they are not winning. I wish they were.
Good points...
And I tend to agree with your analysis of the team’s “identity,” although I’m sure I’ve used that term before. I hate seeing the team make repeated mistakes, but the truth is that Horn’s teams do have a certain style, one that they were able to win with when we had Downey and crew. The problem is that this group can’t make the shots, can’t hold onto the ball, etc.
I also give him a complete pass for his second year. We probably would have been a tournament team that year if not for what happened with Archie and Holmes. The team was playing well over the first few games.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
gsb, since you seem to be a fan of Horn, you should write a Fanpost defending him. I'd be glad to post it to the front page. You write good stuff about hoops.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's an excellent idea
hope gsb will consider it … and it would promote some good discussion.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
That's pretty much my stance. I like Coach Horn. Seems like a nice guy.
But he isn’t winning enough games to keep his job. I said this earlier, but it’s the same thing that happened to Houston Nutt at Ole Miss.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Feb 14, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I voted that he would have to win the SECT and thusly qualify for the NCAA Tournament.
I know this won’t happen. Unless we’re talking a real-life basketball remake of Angels in the Outfield…. But if they suddenly pulled it together and made a run I would do a quick 180. Winning fixes everything. But we’re not likely to win much. So, see you late Coach Horn. Really hoped it would work out better than this.
- FOW
The Dream Dawgs did a few years back
but I think they used up all a generation’s worth of good luck and every glass slipper in the whole Southeast doing it …
BTW .. ever seen the old, original Angels in the Outfield set in Pittsburgh? It was really good.
Here's a health, Carolina, forever to thee! UNIVERSITAS CAROLIN MERID. 1801 Emollit mores nec sinit esse feros (Ovid)
Need to make a move
Horn has proven that he can’t recruit or retain players. We are heading for a 20 loss season! We lose one senior this season. There aren’t any recruits in the pipeline that can save us from SEC basement next year. Horn was a huge mistake. We need to look at the Hurley Brothers at Wagner. They have the pedigrees. Their Dad is a legendary HS coach in New Jersey. Bobby won 2 national championships at Duke and played in the NBA. Danny played at Seton Hall. The question is do we have the foresight to hire them or will we hire a name who is just looking for a check, eg: Dave Odom version 2.0. Mark my words if we don’t make the hire, each brother will have a Big East team competing for championships in 5 years.
Not bad choices.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Although, it should be noted, Horn didn't look like a bad choice a few years back, either.
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by Gamecock Man on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
If we make a move, I'm still partial to Gregg Marshall
I did have my eye on John Brady (the former LSU coach who got run out of Baton Rouge unfairly, in my opinion) who is now at Arkansas State. He had led the Red Wolves to first place in their league (Sun Belt) last season, but is suffering this season with a record of 10-17, 4-8 this season. He was a proven winner at LSU from ’97-08, though his last two Tiger teams had been down a bit.
If we go with another young guy, I’m open to Steve “Wojo” Wojciechowski, at Duke. We should be so lucky to (a) get him or (b) have him do well enough that the Dukies would want to take him back when Coach K retires.
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