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If the PAC-16 happens, let the dominoes start falling...


If the Pac-10 absorbed the Big 12 in the manner described in this article, I could see the following domino effect...

Star-divide

PAC-16
*Pacific Division*
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
Southern Cal
UCLA

*Inland Division*
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Texas Tech
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

BIG 16
*Western Division*
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois

*Eastern Division*
Northwestern
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Kentucky (yes, Kentucky)

EAST 16
*Northern Division*
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Louisville
Syracuse
Connecticut
Rutgers/Boston College

*Atlantic Division*
Boston College/Rutgers
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest

SOUTHEAST 16
*Western Division*
Arkansas
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Auburn
Alabama
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

*Eastern Division*
Florida
Georgia
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Clemson
Miami
Florida State
South Florida

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Are all of these changes likely? No. I'd put my money on the Big Ten trying to grab some Big East schools before it scoops up 4 teams from the Big 12. However, I also don't see Kansas and Kansas State floating aimlessly without a conference, either.

The question really remains as to what happens with the Big East, ACC, and SEC if the Pac-10 and Big Ten start maneuvering (which causes the collapse of the Big 12).

I could see the basketball schools of the ACC combining with the basketball-heavy Big East and creating a juggernaut for basketball, with the side effect of also creating a 'feature' 16-team football conference (the other Big East non-football schools would likely have to form their own basketball conference). Once it started seeing the maneuverings towards four power conferences, I would bet good money Notre Dame finally sees the light and joins a football conference, though possibly with special treatment (perhaps a deal that it can play fewer conference games - or force the Big East to only play 7 conference games so it can maintain its traditional rivalries for the other 5 games).

The SEC would obviously want to maneuver as well, perhaps by shoring up the support in states it's already located in, with the obvious side effect of strengthening its football glory (who wouldn't want Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami from the ACC- schools that all make more geographic sense, too). South Florida, a geographic oddity in the Big East, would finally find a home in the Southeast this way as well, with the Tampa market secure. This would force Tennessee and Vandy into the West, which isn't too crazy.

I think from there, the 4 power 16-team conferences could arrange some sort of +1 Championship that wouldn't disrupt the college football bowl tradition too much. I also think it'd make sense for conferences to only do 7- or 8-game conference football schedules. In an 8-game case, perhaps a 'permanent rival' situation like the SEC does for schedule balancing could be used, or maybe even a game vs. the team that finished in the same divisional position the year before (I also wouldn't be terribly surprised if one conference eventually tried splitting their teams into 4 divisions with a conference semi-final round + championship at some point, though I doubt it'd happen right away). 

The regular season would still matter, as we're still looking at a situation where only 4-8 teams get a shot out of 64 at the national championship, and the slight pressure away from perfection would make for juicier non-conference match-ups to battle-test the contenders.

Yes, this still screws the teams like TCU, Utah, Boise State, etc., but I have a feeling those teams (save for possibly Utah) are going to wind up screwed anyway. I'm not saying this 'Big 64' world is ideal - I'm saying it's a possibility, and an interesting one at that. It's still always possible that the remaining FBS teams would form their own super-conferences, with a clause that the '+1 format' be required to take the 4 highest-ranked champions (i.e. an upset in one of the power conference championships could see a Boise State or TCU still sneak into what would more or less be a 4-team playoff).

[For those keeping score at home, Baylor and Iowa State are the teams who wind up screwed among the current power conferences.]

Here's a quick little PaintShop image I put together on what the conferences would look like:

Red = PAC-16
Purple = BIG 16
Teal = EAST 16
Blue = SOUTHEAST 16

Possible other configurations:

MOUNTAIN 12
*Western Division*
San Diego State
UNLV
Boise State
Utah
BYU
Fresno State/Nevada(?)

*Eastern Division*
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
TCU
SMU/Houston (?)

Conference USA would have to replace SMU/Houston, and would likely do so with a Sun Belt team (Troy or Middle Tennessee State makes the most sense from a sporting perspective; North Texas or one of the Florida schools from a market perspective).Or they could perhaps take Louisiana Tech away from the WAC.

The WAC could also possibly pick up a Sun Belt team, become smaller, or be the waiting conference for a lot of schools from western states that are slowly maneuvering their way up to FBS football.

I think that with a BCS clause that demands the 4 highest-ranked conference champions participate the 'Mountain West/12' could still be relevant, and Conference USA could occasionally make some noise. The lower conferences (Mountain West/12, Conference USA, WAC, MAC, and Sun Belt) could also try to make arrangements to pit their champions against each other in protest, similar to what they tried to arrange a few years back in the Liberty Bowl.

Anyways, those are just some ideas. *shrug*

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Kentucky isn't leaving the SEC

RIP Bryan S. You will be missed.

by btcoop71 on Jun 4, 2025 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m merely listing a possibility.

Kentucky staying in the SEC would involve the Big Ten being able to poach a Big East team or Notre Dame. No way does the Big Ten only expand westward. If it does grab a Big East team or Notre Dame, I’d bet on seeing Clemson in the ‘East 16.’

One oddity of the SEC expanding without being able to get a Texas school (and I don’t think they will), is that it would have to expand in the eastern half of the conference. Kentucky would at that point be forced into either repositioning into the West with either UT or Vandy (who I don’t see liking the possibility of being in different divisions), or play an East schedule with teams nowhere near them geographically. At that point, a Big Ten offer can appear a lot more tempting.

by VA Libertarian on Jun 4, 2025 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The SEC East is really getting screwed in that formula

as the West really isn’t improving while the East gets Clemson, FSU, and USF?

They can’t be too happy

by Alious on Jun 5, 2025 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Though I find your scenario fun...

As long as we’re dreaming here:

As an Arkansas fan my hope is that, if the SEC expands, we pick up the strong pieces of the old southwest conference and grab Texas, A&M & Oklahoma. Then Clemson should be rooted from the ACC and added into the show. This brings a LOT of clout to the conference, shores up some great old rivalries, expands recruiting territories for all involved, yet maintains the SEC vs the rest of Florida fun that currently exists. Not to mention bringing much more history and tradition to the two most recent additions to the conference. I’m writing off the cuff here but that would make my divisions look something like:

West:
Arkansas
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Alabama
Texas
Tx A&M
Oklahoma

East:
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Kentucky
Florida
Georgia
Mississippi State
Clemson

Whatcha Think!

by HogInAiken on Jun 5, 2025 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Give us Auburn.

You can keep Miss. State.

Dum spiro spero - "While I breathe, I hope"
State motto of South Carolina

by The Feathered Warrior on Jun 5, 2025 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree this would be a superior conference. Unfortunately, I also accept the political reality that there’s a 0.00001% chance the SEC gets Texas. Not only is Texas demanding that Tech and A&M be allowed to follow it wherever it winds up, it wants Oklahoma to as well (who, in turn, demands Oklahoma State be allowed). Moreover, the Texas Legislature is even crying foul at the moment that Baylor would get ‘screwed’ over for Colorado.

The above certainly isn’t my dream scenario - it’s a dissection of what I think could happen based on the political realities of the situation. I certainly don’t want a ridiculously stacked SEC East, no matter how much it alone would be better than any other conference in the country.

by VA Libertarian on Jun 7, 2025 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like it

Your stars are a bit off, You didn’t include Washington St. (in eastern WA). Northwestern and Illinois are almost in the same place (North Illinois). Also, the Big-10 (or Big-16) declined Missouri.

by jermango on Jun 12, 2025 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

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